I Need Some Proof... Time Travellers Post Here.

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pastlife101

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Okay, so far I don't buy in to any of this BS, so... Give me a reason to, if any of you so called time travellers can.

For instance; post something, like a major event that's going to happen in the coming weeks. With clarity, details such as time, place.

Or even better, tell me how to go back in time so I can see it for myself. Don't get me wrong I would love for it to be true but it violates the law of conservation of matter and therefore the laws of nature.
 
Correct.

Also your disbelief is your, and your problem only. Its not up to anyone else to prove it to you.

kind regards,
Olly
 
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Tell me how traveling in time violates the law of conservation of matter? We travel forward in time and the law is not violated, are you telling me that somehow there is a Loss or Mass/Energy by traveling back in time? Would not the same Mass/Energy still inhabit the same Universe? I believe it would, and therefore it is not destroyed, still follows the laws of conservation, and disproves your little statement.

Soon I will post a specific event, and details of the event, before it happens. However even this would not prove I am a time traveler.
 
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Here's a qoute from a document I recently discovered...

" A vehicle which travels from the thirtieth century AD to the twentieth, may be regarded as appearing from nowhere. Thus it violates the law of conservation of matter. If the vehicle carries a power source of any kind, it also violates conservation of energy...a quibble, as they are both the same law these days.
To say that an equivalent tonnage of matter disappears a thousand years later is no answer. For ten centuries there was an extra time machine around.
But things are even worse if a Grandfather Paradox is involved. One can imagine a centuries-old time machine resting in a museum, inside a glass-and-steel case made from the glass and the steel which would have been used to build the time machine, if anyone had gone ahead and built that time machine, which nobody did, because of interference with the past via that same time machine."

"If precognition and prophecy are only very accurate guesswork by the subconscious mind, then no laws are violated. But if precognition really has something to do with time-
I cite the Heisenberg Principle. One cannot observe something without affecting it. If one observes the future, there must be an energy exchange of some kind. But that implies that the future one is observing is the future; that it already exists; that information is flowing into the past.
I've demonstrated that this violates relativity and conservation of energy. It also involves a Grandfather Paradox, if information drawn from one future is used to create another. And if the information can't be used to change the future, then what good is it?"

Any more questions? It can not be done.
 
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I had read a theory somewhere, that at any point when matter is transported from one dimension (of time) to another its relaced by an equal amount of water. keeping in reason the amount of matter transported etc.

This water could spread out across the universe. Maybe as much as a few molecules per planet for however many planets it takes to equal the the mass?

Porbably wrong. But it was an interesting theory. I forgot where i read it from.
 
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Pastlife,

I rebuke almost all of your statements with the following arguments.

First of all the Heisenberg uncertainty principle has been Cracked. Scientists have been able to take an atom, and make a virtual copy of that atom, it existed only virtually but could be measured and studied and had no affect on the actual atom. I wish I could link you to the exact article, did some quick searches on google with no luck. I believe this was related to research of transistors, silicon, quantum dots, qubits, etc. Basically they were able to record things from the virtual atom that would have interrupted the actual atom, I believe magnetic fields had something to do with it as well.

Its a Long way off from being practical but it was proved in a Lab and thats good enough for me. We can measure speed and direction without altering an atom. Its just nowhere near practical yet.



As for conservation of matter/energy, a vehicle arriving from the past "may be regarded as appearing from nowhere". If Mass or energy did appear out of nowhere then the law would have been broken, but it didn't this whole theory is flawed, in this example the time machine went into the future. Its funny that you use the past to the future argument though. We are moving into the future right now, who is to say something can't take a jump into the future. I mean technically people move into the future faster the faster they Drive their car on the highway.

So basically what you are saying is because the matter wasn't there a second ago it violates the conservation of matter/energy laws. But it was there 700 something years ago, in cosmic time 700 years and 1 second means nothing. The Matter was neither Created NOR destroyed only moved in time.


I believe what the conservation of mass/energy laws are trying to show you is that it cannot be created or destroyed. the time machine in your example was neither created nor destroyed. I guess I just don't understand the argument but I would sure love to hear your side...
 
For instance; post something, like a major event that's going to happen in the coming weeks. With clarity, details such as time, place.
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What if no major world event is going to happen in that time period?

I suppose we can always settle for a major sporting event: Indianapolis crushes Philadelphia at the Superbowl on February 6th, 31-10.

At least, that was the score last time I checked. Due to quantum randomness, slightly different results may be expected this time around.
 
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Well, Indianapolis will not be in the superbowl, which makes your prediction incorrect. Slightly different results due to quantum randomness huh? Like Indianapolis not even going to the superbowl.

Here's a prediction straight out of thin air.

Pittsburgh Vs New England Patriots

Pittsburgh wins 31-27
 
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Well said Ablaze! Time travel does not work in theory or in mathematics which makes it even more difficult to comprehend. You need faith in this world! Faith that the computer will boot up! Faith the chair will still hold you as it did the last time you sat in it. Well great things are done by little people. Take for example the Bumble Bee, mathematicaly, it can't fly, yet it does, it manages. An interesting theory i read in an old issue of after dark magazine was that time travel could be acheived through lucid dreaming... the man who claimed that, has not been seen since. ID change? Perhaps. Facelife? maybe. Time travel??? the theory had never been proved, or maybe it has been, we will never know. Hopefully in our life we will discover the secrets of time travel.
 
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We never sent men to the moon
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We never sent men to the moon? that is almost laughable. If we never sent men to the moon where did the rocks come from (which show a completely different geological history that is impossible to create here on earth due to the lack of gravity/atmosphere).

How come there is a reflective mirror on the surface we bounce a laser off of to determine the exact distance of the moon from the earth, did someone just Chuck it really high up and it landed on the moon?

It was all faked right. They build an actual rocket capable of enough thrust to get to the moon, actual landers, very special space suits, very intricate planning, and we never Really went, we just did a fly by and faked the rest in a studio somewhere Right?

whenever I hear someone say we never sent men to the moon I just, well, it shows nothing more than ignorance. and no proof is ever offered, just "Conspiracy Theories" that have no real basis in reality.
 
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why 9 rings? why not 8 or 11 or 13.

they spin at Ultrasonic speeds huh? how many rpms is that, whats so special about spinning 9 rings around at ultrasonic speeds that can seperate the effects of time? And which effects are you referring to?
 
pastlife,

Or even better, tell me how to go back in time so I can see it for myself. Don't get me wrong I would love for it to be true but it violates the law of conservation of matter and therefore the laws of nature.
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The conservation laws of Newtonian mechanics would forbid this situation but that's not necessarily the case in modern relativistic mechanics - which is what we would be using for time travel.

The conservation laws of physics apply locally in some defined volume of space. They get stretched to being globally applicable in theory but this assumes that at there is no in-flow or out-flow of conserved "stuff" at infinity. That may not be the case. We have no way to define the total volume of the universe and can't do the integral calculus to verify that that local conservation applies globally (over the entire life of the universe).

So it isn't a slam-dunk that time travel would violate the conservation laws of physics.
 
Creedo299,

If someone brought back a computer from 2038 and I could run a benchmark on it, I would believe them. It wouldn't be "real" proof because maybe it came from present day in a lab, but I would be convinced. Even if I could send them a benchmark that sent the results back over the internet, easier to fake, but I could write a benchmark good enough to convince myself.
 
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