The Titor Subject...

Stukov

Chrono Cadet
As I have said before I have been just browsing this forum for a few months before I had to call BS on Peter_Novak, but I feel like posting a question today.

With economic collapse looming, legislators planning on banning guns, and outright world war seeming inevitable...we are getting pretty close to a civil war don't you think? If this premise is true, what about that fellow John Titor?

I have always revered his story as pretty much a hoax/good story and even though if you look at some of his dates being clearly wrong, doesn't make you wonder with the way world is right now that how damn good guessing such a hoaxer was?

I mean, I don't buy so much into time travel or anything like that, but it does facinate me when people like this are able to forsee events or technology unfolding like George Orwell, HG Wells, etc.

Doesn't anyone else find this a interesting subject?
 
With economic collapse looming, legislators planning on banning guns, and outright world war seeming inevitable...we are getting pretty close to a civil war don't you think? If this premise is true, what about that fellow John Titor?

Don't you think that the premises should be posed as questions rather than facts?

I don't see economic collapse looming, the Democrats in Congress have always had in mind banning guns, outright world war doesn't seem to be inevitable and no, I don't see civil war getting close.

George Bush, neither of them, weren't the Presidents who dispatched our troops and ships to the Middle East. It wasn't Ronald Reagan nor was it Jimmy Carter or Bill Clinton.

The US dispatched a battle group to the Med that included the USS Enterprise to keep the peace. No, not the nuclear aircraft carrier CVN-65 Enterprise. It was the frigate USS Enterprise, along with the frigate USS Constitution "Old Ironsides". The year was 1803 and the President was Thomas Jefferson. We have been there ever since keeping what little peace there is to be had in the region and keeping the shipping lanes open. Nothing new with us being there. Nothing new about part of the reason being protection of national and international commerce.

The economic "crisis" that we're facing isn't the worst we've had and political strife is a way of life in the US. Again, nothing new. Try 1969 if you want to see how close we were to civil war. We're not even in the same Zip Code as in 1969. And while dangerous the mini civil war in the 1969-1971 era was communist led, limited to a dozen or so university campuses mostly in California, would spring up, miraculously, around Spring quarter finals, rarely occured during "Summer Beach Time" (No Summer Bummers) and was over with about as quickly as it started. The campus radicals suddenly realized that Vietnam was just about over and they had neither a degree nor a job. Radicalism was replaced by pragmatism. They went back to school, graduated and jot a job. Oh, that Mother of Necessity. Got to love her. Exception: The totally drugged out ex-revolutionaries got their lay-off notices from the CCCP Commisariat for the Revolutionary Youth Movement (RYM), could no longer pronounce the word "book" let alone read one and took up living in bushes and subsisting on SSI checks. They were called Street Freaks.

The Congressional Democrats will continue to try to ban guns but there's not a single state that I'm aware of that can come close to ratifying an amendment to the 2nd Amendment let alone 34 states which is what is required to ratify a Constitutional amendment.

So, what do I think of Mr. Titor? Boomer wrote well, was entertaining and all the best to his company (The John Titor Foundation) as it attempts to make some money from The Book, The Radio Program, The Movie, coffee mugs, The Graphic Novel, t-shirts, etc. It wasn't deep philosophical thinking, deep social reflection, astute social commentary or even new social commentary. It wasn't national security and it wasn't time travel. It was an early attempt at capitalizing on the new mass communication-marketing-entertainment medium: The Internet. The ideas for the story were borrowed from Googling Internet forums and the novel "Alas, Babylon".

That's it. That's all there is, other than an entertainment industry lawyer who is running the John Titor Foundation show and making the rounds on Art Bell and George Noory's "Coast-2-Coast AM" and Italy's "Voyager" series on RAI while trying to get the movie of the ground (and their Titor movie website was taken down a few weeks ago).

What does the world think of Titor? If you do a Google Trends search on Titor you'll see. Other than a recent spike in Internet hits in the Milan area the world isn't thinking about him much at all. The story is almost 10 years old, mostly forgotten and when the Italian Spike is over the majority of dwindling Titor hits worldwide will resume being right here...and it's no longer even a hot topic here.
 
If civil war or world war seems inevitable now, which I disagree with, then it's seemed that way for decades.

Regardless I don't think the Titor story has anything to do with the REALITY of our country or our world. To me that's like saying Star Trek is relevant to the real world, and I just can't go there. I mean you make correlations from fiction to reality because fiction, at some point, is based on our knowledge of the real world. Right?

If you didn't know about stories like Titor, or Star Trek (since I brought it up), or they never existed, it wouldn't make a difference on the real world, because the real world is happening whether those isolated pieces of entertainment were created or not.

My point: I think we should keep our heads focused on the real world, especially when we talk seriously about war or gun laws. But you know we don't always talk about that stuff seriously here at these forums so no big deal. Just my two cents worth.
 
Just a side note: Regarding the gun laws, our political figures actually encourage its citizens to carry concealed weapons. Our Adult Edcuation program includes, and is very active as the city promotes classes to obtain a concealed weapon permit.

According to their figures, there is a high percentage of folks living in these parts that do carry, and I see people with guns on their belts all the time. I must also say that people around here are extremely polite, on and off the road, and there is alot of Ma'm and Sir when any conversations take place.

I see drivers going 20 miles an hour in a 65 mile an hour zone with a line of pick-up trucks and cars behind them on a daily basis and nobody throw's a fit nor is anyone honking away with the horns.

Sad to think that these people aren't naturally polite, but are just mindful of the fact that you might be armed.

As far as a revolution of some kind...there are always moments that can be used for just such a statement. My Uncle worked at Kent University when they had the riot, and he thought we were in for it back then.

I also remember having to switch license plates on my cars to buy gas when we had alternating odd-even days for being able to purchase fuel.

John Titor didn't really say anything that many others were also saying, but not in a public forum, and these type's of conversations have been taking place as far as I can remember.

I don't believe that the students today are required to practice the Nuclear Blast routine as we had to in school. Hearing the sirens going off, and then getting into a tucked position under our desks.

I remember hiding under some bleacher's with my classmates in Junior High School, when a fellow student convinced everybody that it was the end of the world as we knew it.

Growing up in Los Angeles, I witnessed more than one riot, and experienced more than one "economic adjustment".

My Father grew up on the East Coast during the depression, and in talking with him, they wondered back then, some of the same questions we have today.

None of this type of stuff is new.

These are normal cycle's, which will occur again and again.
 
KT,

I don't believe that the students today are required to practice the Nuclear Blast routine as we had to in school. Hearing the sirens going off, and then getting into a tucked position under our desks.

Yeah, cowboy! Boy howdy, I also remember those "Duck, Cover and Kiss Your Ass Good-bye" drills in the 2nd and 3rd grade in the LA City School District and when riding in the car across the San Gabriel Valley to my grandparents home seeing the triple rack Nike Zeus missle launchers ringing the city. It made the drills very real (and of course they were real).
 
...Another thing that made it all so real was KCOP Channel 13 in Los Angeles in the mid 1950's. KCOP was a station that focused on documentaries, science, technology shows. I remember one show during the time when we were doing the duck and cover drills where the episode concerned varying destructive effects of WW II ordinance. It showed a 105 HH hit on a building, a 500 lb'er, 1000 lb'er and then a V-1 missle hit on London followed by a hit by a V-2 rocket. After a short pause it cut to one of the H-Bomb test blasts at the Mercury test site then cut back to a graphic of how much of London would have been vaporized had German dropped a nuke there. I had nightmares for weeks. (Maybe H-Bomb documentaries aren't appropriate for 3rd graders who have weekly D&C drills.
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In elementary school they played those same shorties in the classrooms. Of course the teacher had to get up every once in awhile to mess with the film projector. I never knew one of those projectors to run completely through a film without the film jumping off the reel or getting stuck at least a few times.

Corporal punishment was still in use, as well. Many times I would be on an errand for the teacher, going to the main office to get ditto's made for my teacher and seeing a classmate getting their behind's warmed up by the principle with a paddle.

"Go to the Office" had a whole different emotional response back in those days.

And calculator's...HA ! We had to use a slide-rule. I don't think kids today even know what a slide-rule is, let alone what they looked like or how a slide-rule works. Which is too bad.
 
indeed. i agree with you... how can a hoaxer be that good? and close to accurate??

it amuses me, the one that he said about people making their own videos[which is the YOUTUBE right now] and by 2008 the 'civil war' thing would pretty much be at everyone's doorstep---which gave me the goosebumps. i mean, i can honestly say that 2008 was a worst year for me. that was the year a lot of disasters happened, a large wildfire occurred... how could someone say that like that, know what i mean? i mean, i don't think nostradamus predicted that. at least, not that im aware of. i think he was focused more on philosophy, religion,health, economy & politics. thaz it. how about entertainment & literature & machine works & computers/technology? did nostradamus predict that too? lol i dont think xoo....

if so, then what is john titor now? a reincarnation of albert einstein and galileo g. with a bit of nostradamus, late pope john paul and bill gates, adding up shakespeare...? ^_^ lol [peace].

well, i wanna believe the idea of a time traveler, but i can't --fully, coz i didnt see it for real. i didnt see it on the news for real. unless it's in the movies... but then... how can we just disclose this subject?

say, for example, me, i wasnt here when john titor was chatting with some of you here, but just because he left, and some of you concluded he's just another hoax, doesn't mean upcoming newbies like me will do so, as well.. since we tend to have the urge to feed our endless curosity... especially since he already left a remarkable mystery in our history....


plus, he said it so himself,,, at least we are having fun and being entertained just the sole idea of 'controversy' and 'issue' that's worth arguin with/for, worth thinking of...not to mention 'history' and 'serious mystery'....

and how come nobody was ever able to track him at all???
 
Darby, I pretty much agree with a majority of your posts and even this one however, it seems to me you have your head stuck in the sand if you don't think the current economic situation is not a bad one.

Our national debt, if I recall correctly, is 90% of our GDP and only getting larger. A good percentage of states are at or near bankruptcy. Then the Federal government seems to be pushing for a huge bill that will increase our debt even further. Iceland has collapsed, the Japanese index is down like 75% or something, and the Korean government seizing their stock exchange (that's South Korea) and many many more stories like this.

Yes, it could be debated if civil war could occur, but should the economic system completely break down for this country that's pushing pretty down close to civil war. I can say here in South Dakota should the Democratically controlled House/Senate/White House pass their current measures to ban guns, do registration, or any of these types of restrictions, we would probably cede from the union.
 
it seems to me you have your head stuck in the sand if you don't think the current economic situation is not a bad one.

Stukov,

I never said it wasn't a serious economic situation. It is. But it isn't the Great Depression, it isn't the 1982 economic disaster, it isn't the Jimmy Carter Administration economic meltdown and it isn't even the 2000 Dot.Com meltdown.

It's the October Surprise economy. It's bad but its being heavily jawboned and politicized for purposes that have nothing to do with economic recovery. We'll survive it but not all companies will survive it. Companies that were already in the culling pens will cease to exist. Strong companies will come out better than before. People who refuse to panic will see this crisis as an opportunity. People who cave in and choose to live off of yet more government hand-outs will be just as bad off after the recovery as before and remain a drag on the economy...even though they don't have to remain so.

I choose to see this as an opportunity. I choose to see this as the last gasp in the life of the 1960's generation counter-culture, anti-Western democracy, pro PRC/CCCP style socialism. I choose not to panic. I choose not to be depressed. I choose to be optomistic.

My head's not in the sand. I'm just not unhappy.
 
Just pointing out 12 states have bills to declare soveriegnty...

example of Arizona's bill

Whereas, the Tenth Amendment to the Constitution of the United States reads as follows: "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people"; and

Whereas, the Tenth Amendment defines the total scope of federal power as being that specifically granted by the Constitution of the United States and no more; and

Whereas, the scope of power defined by the Tenth Amendment means that the federal government was created by the states specifically to be an agent of the states; and

Whereas, today, in 2009, the states are demonstrably treated as agents of the federal government; and

Whereas, many federal laws are directly in violation of the Tenth Amendment to the Constitution of the United States; and

WHEREAS, the Tenth Amendment assures that we, the people of the United States of America and each sovereign state in the Union of States, now have, and have always had, rights the federal government may not usurp; and

Whereas, Article IV, section 4, United States Constitution, says in part, "The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government", and the Ninth Amendment states that "The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people"; and

Whereas, the United States Supreme Court has ruled in New York v. United States, 112 S. Ct. 2408 (1992), that Congress may not simply commandeer the legislative and regulatory processes of the states; and

Whereas, a number of proposals from previous administrations and some now pending from the present administration and from Congress may further violate the Constitution of the United States.

Therefore

Be it resolved by the House of Representatives of the State of Arizona, the Senate concurring, that:

1. That the State of Arizona hereby claims sovereignty under the Tenth Amendment to the Constitution of the United States over all powers not otherwise enumerated and granted to the federal government by the Constitution of the United States.

2. That this Resolution serves as notice and demand to the federal government, as our agent, to cease and desist, effective immediately, mandates that are beyond the scope of these constitutionally delegated powers.

3. That all compulsory federal legislation that directs states to comply under threat of civil or criminal penalties or sanctions or requires states to pass legislation or lose federal funding be prohibited or repealed.

4. That the Secretary of State of the State of Arizona transmit copies of this resolution to the President of the United States, the President of the United States Senate, the Speaker of the United States House of Representatives, the Speaker of the House and the President of the Senate of each state's legislature and each Member of Congress from the State of Arizona.
 
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