The government is monitoring everything you say online and the phone
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It's been suspected and believed long before the PRISM program became exposed. The recent and developing stories (journalists say there's more coming) give people the long awaited justification to pressure and question the surveillance powers granted by these administrations.
This is a much more remarkable problem. It started during wwII and even more during cold war and so the context made the government use this to ensure international trades. Then the bankers and big industrial took the control of the machine and it became unstoppable because they could anticipate any action. Now because of the cold war we live in a half-real world trying to know what is the truth and so they still ensure their control by delivering informations to governments in exchange of some contracts and they also deliver false information to get us lost.
They own the medias, the bourses, the medecine, the military, the entertainement, and a lot of other industries.
They are not lying, they are hidding.
When they say : nobody's listening you .... it is true as it is an automatized program.
Also when they say there is nothing E.T. in the area 51 it is true too, it's in reality located in a smaller area next to it !
Behind the walls there are a lot of puppeteers.
They own the medias, the bourses, the medecine, the military, the entertainement, and a lot of other industries.
They are not lying, they are hidding.
When they say : nobody's listening you .... it is true as it is an automatized program.
Also when they say there is nothing E.T. in the area 51 it is true too, it's in reality located in a smaller area next to it !
Behind the walls there are a lot of puppeteers.
I am not surprised or upset about this in the least. I have already come to realize that we are more connected then ever these days. We also can trace one another more then ever before. Let's face it what I am doing right now being on the Internet on a message board is information anyone can get their hands on about me. All they would need is my ISP address. This is information that the police or the FBI can easily get their hands on. So, it doesn't bother me that the government is monitoring these activities. I have nothing to hide, and maybe some think this is an invasion of privacy but in today's world we really don't have too much privacy left.
crimsonghost747
Temporal Novice
Never understood the point of this being a surprise to anyone. The WHOLE POINT of intelligence agencies is to gather information... back in the day it was tapping into phone lines and sneaking into buildings, nowadays it's mostly electronic since a large part of communication is electronic too. There is nothing surprising about this, and most countries do this to some extent.
Also keep in mind that it's not actually someone listening to your calls etc. It's just a computer going through and flagging suspicious activity, so you don't really need to worry about someone knowing all your phone conversations. (no one cares about that anyway)
Also keep in mind that it's not actually someone listening to your calls etc. It's just a computer going through and flagging suspicious activity, so you don't really need to worry about someone knowing all your phone conversations. (no one cares about that anyway)
kalwhi
Temporal Novice
Woha there cowboy!
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/09/us/politics/court-ruling-on-nsa-data-collection-jolts-both-defenders-and-reformers.html?_r=0
We've gained a small victory over this, so don't be so down. Since Snowden, I've been been reminding people that the government is watching us constantly. (Well..on Facebook. Every time people got caught up in a new social justice cause I'd be like 'remember how the NSA is watching you and everyone was really upset about THAT not too long ago, and now you're upset about this, and next week, you'll be upset about a new thing')
So, here's what I think and why it's terrifying that the government would have a record of our (as a collective) digital activities:
The internet is: a) a slowly expanding collection of all human knowledge and b) a universal communicative tool that could allow for massive human connection on a wide scale. To the government, this is terrifying anarchy.
The ONLY reason representatives exist is because we, citizens of America, are unable to gather under the same roof and put issues to a vote with the most information available to make an informed decision.
Except, that it's not true anymore. The internet connects us all, and connects us with 'all the facts', so to speak.
So, as the government started making enemies in the world, it started getting paranoid that those enemies could be homegrown.
So, the PATRIOT Act happened after 9/11.
Privacy went away and the NSA was created to combat "terrorism" as the new millennium brought the internet to life as a communication tool, while the government began to keep a close eye on all communication tools.
So, um, er...that's what I think.
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http://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/09/us/politics/court-ruling-on-nsa-data-collection-jolts-both-defenders-and-reformers.html?_r=0
We've gained a small victory over this, so don't be so down. Since Snowden, I've been been reminding people that the government is watching us constantly. (Well..on Facebook. Every time people got caught up in a new social justice cause I'd be like 'remember how the NSA is watching you and everyone was really upset about THAT not too long ago, and now you're upset about this, and next week, you'll be upset about a new thing')
So, here's what I think and why it's terrifying that the government would have a record of our (as a collective) digital activities:
The internet is: a) a slowly expanding collection of all human knowledge and b) a universal communicative tool that could allow for massive human connection on a wide scale. To the government, this is terrifying anarchy.
The ONLY reason representatives exist is because we, citizens of America, are unable to gather under the same roof and put issues to a vote with the most information available to make an informed decision.
Except, that it's not true anymore. The internet connects us all, and connects us with 'all the facts', so to speak.
So, as the government started making enemies in the world, it started getting paranoid that those enemies could be homegrown.
So, the PATRIOT Act happened after 9/11.
Privacy went away and the NSA was created to combat "terrorism" as the new millennium brought the internet to life as a communication tool, while the government began to keep a close eye on all communication tools.
So, um, er...that's what I think.
(Yay, first post?)
It could be done, to see if anyone is doing anything suspicious and try and stop any one who is associated with groups who are working against the country and stop them before they get out of hand. I reckon after the world trade center fell and also how terrorists are shown to be in the country they live in has caused the government to spy on anyone using the computer or even their phone and check them. I think when Edward Snowden revealed what was going on this caused people to be worried and not trust the government as well and worried about privacy as well.
Wait I thought that it was "carnivore" that was used to monitor the email portions? I guess that had to be soooo yesterday. Well either way I can not say that I am surprised and for the most part I don't really care if someone wants to monitor my activity. Let them go right ahead. If they were really nice they might clear out some of the daily amounts of spam that I get.
To me it is no different then the boss looking over things, my mother checking stuff out or my significant other following me around, I say have at it! You will probably die of boredom. My life is pretty much an open book.
To me it is no different then the boss looking over things, my mother checking stuff out or my significant other following me around, I say have at it! You will probably die of boredom. My life is pretty much an open book.
mr_paradox
Chrono Cadet
At the core of every conspiracy theory is a kernel of truth. Back in the 1990s there was evidence that the NSA had back doored most major software including Windows. In the past the way to combat these allegations would be to deny them. But the modern way to combat these allegations is in my opinion is to have sock puppets create more crazy allegations to divert attention from the original theory.
So with 911, possibly not all of the truth has come out. It distract from this, the CIA etc start releasing crazy theories like a UFO ran into the twin towers or some nonsense like that. This is not to say UFOs do not exist, but just to make the people putting out the theory look crazy.
mr_paradox
Chrono Cadet
Even though there is overwhelming evidence, anyone who claims it is happening ofcourse is a conspriacy nut. When that does not work they call you a terrorist sympathizer or anti American. And if you make too much noise about it and get actual proof you end up stuck in some 3rd world embassy, or some former soviet block country or thrown in jail.
Somehow exposing things has become anti American. How times change.
Somehow exposing things has become anti American. How times change.
Demon_skeith
Temporal Novice
Not really a conspiracy as this is pretty much known after when edward snowden blew the whistle on such programs and left the country. Honestly I don't care if they do tape what I say or track me, I'm like one person in a country filled with a billion people. Why would they target me for anything as long as I don't do anything suspicious?
JudasTitor
Quantum Scribe
Free market capitalism of too big to fail. Merger of government and corporations = Fascism. The Fed offers credit, credit leads to debt. Debt = bonds. Bonds = contractual bondage. Bondage = slavery/ servitude.
The bond markets began collapsing Thursday morning. Dissolution of bonds = dissolution of bondage = emancipation of the American debt slaves.
It was never about money, your masters can print an infinite amount. This was always about servitude, and the guarantee that you and your children will serve your masters and their children absolutely, forever.
The bond markets began collapsing Thursday morning. Dissolution of bonds = dissolution of bondage = emancipation of the American debt slaves.
It was never about money, your masters can print an infinite amount. This was always about servitude, and the guarantee that you and your children will serve your masters and their children absolutely, forever.
ScornedTramp
Chrono Cadet
The point is, if an independant person or people's started rumagging through your mail, or hacked into your personal tech, you would be mad as hell! Yet when the government do it on shakey legal standings everyone just shrugs and let's it happen. Would you let your senator poke around on your hard drive? Or phone? I sure wouldn't.
And who knows what they do and don't see. Or which words and phrases are indicators.
Where's your warrant for this search of private information?
It's a stupid process costing the tax payers a fortune, that yields questionable results and has the potential to undermine every Americans right to freedom.
If I was caught doing this, I would be in jail. But your paying people to literally ignore your rights and spy on potentially every correspondance you make.
And who knows what they do and don't see. Or which words and phrases are indicators.
Where's your warrant for this search of private information?
It's a stupid process costing the tax payers a fortune, that yields questionable results and has the potential to undermine every Americans right to freedom.
If I was caught doing this, I would be in jail. But your paying people to literally ignore your rights and spy on potentially every correspondance you make.
JudasTitor
Quantum Scribe
Manipulating the markets by rigging Libor rates and printing money to bail out the bond market institutions is not a free market, nor is it capitalism. It is a merger of state and corporate interests.