Sleep Paralysis

Rho,

i know whats eating me spiritually...i let them back into my life

Your two statements copied above tell me that you know inside what to do without having someone else tell you, but sometimes it helps if someone empathizes with your situation. So, at the risk of being too forward and stepping where I haven't been invited I propose the following:

Remove yourself and don't look back on any groups and their practices (rituals?) that you may have recently involved yourself with, either online or in real life. Pagans, wiccans etc. want to believe that they are in the white light but they have been duped.

Don't engage in rituals that require any physical manifestation (i.e candles, herbs, potions etc.)

Use the power of your breath - the same power that created the universe - and simply tell the entity(ies), in no uncertain terms to leave your presence NOW! Invoke the name of your God and your Protector Angel(s) - they WILL return to protect you as you will be showing them that you realize your mistake.

They never really left you - they are not only protectors, but also teachers - but you left the "school" and ripped the training wheels from your bike and they probably decided that you would learn best if they just let you crash.

Lessons are everywhere and the better ones come during periods of great tribulation.


Peace
 
They are called the hinderers. There are entities that will act exactly as you describe. They, exist, as mentioned above, within the lower levels of the astral planes. Any spirit guides wouldnt become that angry with you and turn on you in that way.
As a suggestion, you can request aid from your Arch Angel, of whom I could tell you who it is by your birth sign.
However, fear is their tool, and no they can not steal your soul. Your soul is protected by your higher self, which itself is also protected.
Thousands of people astral travel and there has NOT been any cases of people losing their souls from astral travelling. There have been incidents as you describe...

www.astralweb.org


This is a forum similar to this one, but focusing on astral experiences.
 
This is to let you know this isnt an uncommon event Rho...I brought this over from the Astral forum for you to read...


Re:Conjurations and prayer
« Reply #10 on: August 30, 2004, 08:40:04 am »

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I am new to this and have witnessed all of the above.. But the weirdest thing that happened to me is when I was laying down to do it it felt like somebody was on top of me just pushing on my chest as hard as they can..


Re:Conjurations and prayer
« Reply #12 on: August 30, 2004, 01:34:23 pm »

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Yeah I get that too, Xion.
I was going to mention that.. I had a little tightness in the chest and trouble breathing if I woke up right then, especially during that electrocution feeling. Man that's wierd. However, other than having you be terrified of them, NEs can do nothing to influence or harm you, right?
Does anyone know of any actual dangers during this, other than NEs? I've heard speak of some


Re:Conjurations and prayer
« Reply #13 on: August 30, 2004, 02:23:01 pm »

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No, there are many myths about it all. It's very natural though.

The tightness in the chest can be just an underlying sense of excitement or anxiety from getting the sensations; though if it's like Xion described it does, as Camilla said, sound like an NE.

( NE= Negative Entity )
 
Good points all around OVR.

When you said " However, fear is their tool, and no they can not steal your soul. Your soul is protected by your higher self, which itself is also protected."

I couldn't agree more. When I stated earlier that they would try to steal your soul , I didn't mean that they would or could be successful. The attempt is a tactic meant, as you said, to instill fear. Thanks for helping me clarify my position.
 
Just wanted to relay to Rho that he shouldnt give up on what he is doing. The hinderers/negative entities are jealous of the gifts given to us and will try anything to stop one from ascending. I am suspicious of the "white" light that was described. A true spirit guide wouldn't pull away like that, and should be beyond any fits of anger as perceived.
Even on the higher levels of travelling, you may run across a negative entity and must always be wary. Most spirit guides will never tell you what you need to do, but only offer suggestions as to paths to consider.
Rho, I wouldnt be suprised if the N.E.'s planted the idea that the Armor of God is missing. It is probably still there, because nothing is going to over-power God. You must keep the faith. Doubt is the mind killer. So stand strong my friend, and my prayers are with you.
 
Isnt this a possibility?

My thoughts as to why people who experience sleep paralysis usually have this feeling of an evil being or aliens or demons is that your conscious mind is trying to bring you out of the dream state but can't quite do it. As a natural reaction to being constrained or controlled your mind will send chemicals to stimulate your body into moving. The unconscious part of your mind responds to this by intensifying your fear and dreams express your emotions in pictures so your mind produces a picture of something that frightens you.
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The place between wakefullness and sleep is where those who practice astral projection (or soul travel) often times start their jouneys.
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Depends on the "clarity" of the individual. Those who are attached to negative energy ( emotional baggage ) are likely to emerge within the lower levels occupied by the N.E.'s. The region you describe is known as Twilight. This is closest to the earthly realm ( Malkut) and this is where the adept magicians attempt to impose their will on changing things on the physical level.

This is why it is important to find your balance, tune your chakras, and toss out the emotional baggage that will weigh your astral self down. This is also why it is important to become aware of how you treat others and your motives behind your actions. If not trained or experienced, it will come back and bite you in the rear.
 
things have been getting better spiritually..though my body is taking an absolute beating. iovr itd be very hard to explain to you my light but i'll try to just to see if anyone else has ever had it. when i close my eyes alone to talk to them its a white semi circle where i cannot see the top, it pulses and makes my body warm. its actually more like conveing feelings or emotions then actually talking. if i were to ask something directly i would be flooded with energy making my whole body tingle and all hairs stand up on end, ive now come to know what kind of 'language' this is through years as a child being confused to why i couldnt listen back. rescently in the past few years ive found this type of language to be used by everything.

if you can make sance to any of that my hat goes off to you...as i said before my body isnt being treated very nicely..ive now gone a few days without much sleep and its pretty hard to keep a train of thought going.
 
It does make sense. Give me some time to compose a reponse. I am reading this at 12:10 a.m. and am very tired. 12 hour shift today. Probably be on monday..next day off. The languages utilized beyond our own "verbal" communication is quite interesting. Some communicate with scent, some with whispers in the wind, all sorts of forms that most arent aware of.

You are. From what you describe..eh..Rho..that sounds like your own sub-conscious. The emotions and feelings are its form of communication. This is why dreams become bizarre. The sub-conscious picks things for the messages from an emotional stand-point.

Not a logical nor reasonable ideal of the items seen, but what emotional/feeling experience you have attached to them. The message conveyed is given in an emotional language.

One step in our journey is confronting ourselves..so perhaps this is what your guides have done for you...you are confronting your own inner "demons'. ( fears, angers, spite, guilts, addictions, etc..)
 
Using words/language is a very limited and ineffective way to transfer information; which is why the method that you describe is utilized. Letters/words are low frequency, low resolution, inexact carriers. Their low frequencies bind them to the material world, their low resolution is inefficient and their inexactness creates a high error rate potential.

Light as a carrier of information is a high frequency, high resolution method with enough bandwidth to convey an entire idea/concept at the speed of thought. Even the most complex concepts, such as "love" can be relayed instantaneously across space/time.
 
This is a good starting point to find out about Astral Projection: http://www.straightdope.com/mailbag/mastral.html

Here is something on the hypnagogic hallucinations that accompany Sleep Paralysis: http://watarts.uwaterloo.ca/~acheyne/S_P2.html

And, as the first article says, for anyone that is claiming to actually be able to really and truely Astrally Project...well, there's a million dollars just waiting for you. Contact James Randi and set up a test. It'll most likely be something written on a peice of paper in another room. All you have to do is say what's written on it, while you've been asleep in the other room. A million dollars.

Throughout the centuries nobody, but nobody, has ever been able to do this.

My guitar is in my bedroom, and will remain here for the foreseeable future. Anyone who claims to be able to Astrally Project can describe it to me.
 
...Anyone who claims to be able to Astrally Project can describe it to me.
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Currency is merely a bobble compared to the riches of successful slippage into the other realms of creation.

What does a free spirit care of money or proving anything to somebody not willing to find out for themselves what truths are hidden behind the veils of conciousness?

Wouldnt be much time left if one had to go around proving such things to all those who demand proof of certain esoteric achievments. Skeptics are a dime a dozen. I am hardly a master of esoteric processes, but those of whom I know that are Masters of the Arts, prefer to remain seperated from the majority of the populace. They focus on more important issues than the pratteling of the masses lost within the darkness of negativity and denial, and only help those who truly desire to change and begin ascension.
 
So you're saying that absolutely nobody who claims to be able to Astrally Project would have any interest in a million dollars? As an excuse that simply doesn't wash, as you cannot speak for everyone. My mother claims she has that ability, and she'd love a million dollars. She has other excuses for not taking up the challenge. And, as I said, people have participated in these experiments many, many times down the ages. Your claim that those who claim to be able to Astrally Project simply wouldn't be interested in proving it goes against a very large body of evidence.

I didn't invent the experiment of the word being written on a peice of paper - it has been done time and time again. It has always turned up negative.

People do try to prove these things, people have taken up James Randi's challenge, and they have always, but always failed under scientific conditions.

But, I'll be interested to hear from others on this thread. Please post if you believe you can Astrally Project and are happier without a million dollars than you would be with.
 
So you're saying that absolutely nobody who claims to be able to Astrally Project would have any interest in a million dollars?
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It was an all inclusive statement wasnt it? I am sure there are those who claim to be able to Astral Project and would jump at the chance for a million dollars. I joined an Astral Projection site and if one was to believe the posts in there, seems many people can achieve Astral Projection.

Perhaps you could pose the question to thme and see what the 'experienced' travellers say.


The place where the experienced hang out.


Your claim that those who claim to be able to Astrally Project simply wouldn't be interested in proving it goes against a very large body of evidence.
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My claim is simply this... those that I know who are extremely involved in esoteric disciplines and have attained a high level of skill, are not interested in proving anything to anybody. The desire for earthly currency isnt there any longer, nor the need to prove they are right.

They know what they know, and if you want to know what they know...you have got to earn it. They will not just hand out "enlightenment" on a platter. If you want confirmation about Astral Projection, then try it for yourself.
 
Perhaps you could pose the question to thme and see what the 'experienced' travellers say.
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I think I probably will, actually. I'll get back to you.

The desire for earthly currency isnt there any longer, nor the need to prove they are right.
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How about proving it to themselves? If it is possible that they're just in a dream-like state, wouldn't it be nice to have something more substantial than "feelings"?

If you want confirmation about Astral Projection, then try it for yourself.
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Oh, I certainly have. Have I acheieved the things described by other people? Oh, yes. Did I beleive in it when I was younger? Oh, yes. Did i really put that much thought into it when I ws younger? Oh, no. As I got older and looked for empirical evidence, could I substantiate anything at all? Oh, no.
 
How about proving it to themselves? If it is possible that they're just in a dream-like state, wouldn't it be nice to have something more substantial than "feelings"?
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As I said, they know what they know, and if you want to know what they know, you've got to EARN it. Maybe everything the Masters of the Arts have achieved was only by a lucky roll of the dice. And they also do say perhaps it is all merely a dream. But, one hell of a dream it is. But, then, your thoughts on the subject are standard for one that exists in a horizontal world.
 
And they also do say perhaps it is all merely a dream. But, one hell of a dream it is.
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Well, if they're happy living in a fantasy world, more power to them, I suppose. I prefer to be more grounded, myself.
 
and ovr
everythings much better...theyre back and we're on level again! i figured out what i was doing wrong and everything was forgiven!

thank you for youre help!
 
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