New Evidence that Helps Validate that John aka TT_0 was in Fact from the Future.

[Darby]

Two missing/altered posts are particularly interesting. One of them was posted 3/18/01 at 01:01 AM by Titor. (Some sites have it listed as Javier posting and some have it as Titor, some have no names, times or dates. )

First, that post wasn't made by Titor/TT0. It was made by Pamela:

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pamela () 03/18/01 06:17 AM 000.000.000.000 Here is something really interesting. I went back to look at the "time travel paradoxes" thread and I noticed the missing pages from page 11 have showed up at the end. investigating the situation I went back and read some pages and noticed that there were some postings deleted. I noticed there were two posts that I made that had several postings between them are now gone. and my postings are right next to each other now. so in conclusion when someone deleted those postings (and several others)it made room for the missing pages to appear. someone must have deleted quite a few postings to provide for that much room to be put back on page 11. sincerely, pamela	[td width="70%"] RE: Topics Limited to 11 Pages? ​
Second, we already knew there was a problem with the BBS software. As Raul pointed out, the BBS software had a page overflow issue when a thread exceeded 10 pages. People made posts but they didn't show up. So TT0 started a new thread "Topics Limited to 11 Pages?" TimeTravel_0 () 01/26/01 02:11 PM 000.000.000.000 [td] Topics Limited to 11 Pages? ​ ​

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After trying to post a couple of times and seeing the number of postings increase but not the pages...I assume it is limited to 11 pages. Any thoughts?
Trott () 01/26/01 05:18 PM 000.000.000.000	[td] RE: Topics Limited to 11 Pages? ​
Mr. TT_0, Let us assume you are a time traveller. I do not see any viable way for you to return to your own time line then. I say this because that you mentioned the difficulty with time travel in the sense of divergences. You said that you travelled back in time from 2036 to 1975 with a ~1-2% divergence. You also mentioned that in your time frame a 0% divergence is sort of a myth, i.e technologically improbable. Now if I understand your plan, you say you will once again travel back to 1975 before you arrived and then go forward as to avoid going into the future of our time line, which by your presence here would be an alternate future from your own. But what I would ask is, if you plan to go back to 1975 from 2000, you should incur a certain non-zero percent divergence just as you did going from 2036 to 1975. I would surmize that it is impossible or technologically improbable for you to go back to the exact world line you departed from then. Even if you are able to travel back with a 0% divergence, which by your previous words would be mythological, what would ensure you that the future you travelled into was exactly the world line you left. Since there are an infinite number of possible world lines departing from 1975 into the future. I suppose the key point of this argument is that any trip through time with your technology would result in a non-zero divergence, and in order for you to arrive in your own world line you must create a 0% divergent trip. This is amusing in the sense that the harder you try to get to your own world line the more divergences you incur and hence the further away you get. I believe I see the birth of a new temporal paradox.

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Just an FYI. "Trott" is David Trott. Dave was a PhD candidate in astronomy at the time he was posting. Once he made that announcement TT0 suddenly found an "earlier window" for his departure. In his post what Trott is telling TT) is he does not understand quantum mechanics, not even the basics. What he proposed all along in his missive was ass backwards WRT actual quantum physics. In fact he's also saying that TT) doesn't understand basic math and statistics or the term "divergence", which is obvious.


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[The Real McZero]

First, that post wasn't made by Titor/TT0. It was made by Pamela:

I am referring specifically to the post made 3/18/01 01:01. It still shows up in some archives, but the details are unclear because they are either skewed and scrambled up, varying from other archives or nonexistent. I haven't found any of them to record Pamela as the person posting it though.

 

[Darby]

It still shows up in some archives

For the final time: There's only one official archive left and it is here on TTI. Any other "archive" is suspect, at least to the extend that neither Cosmo nor I have any idea as to how those particular copies have been maintained over the years. We do know how the archive has been maintained here. I know because it matches my archived copy that I hold beyond being simply air gapped (the HDD is not installed on a computer).

You are free to doubt that proffer but that's not my problem. The posts were made on this forum. The BBS software in use at the time was not intended for single threads over 10 pages. The end of the file on page 11 became corrupt. We saw it. We commented on it. Titor/TT0 saw it. He started a new thread "Topics Limited to 11 Pages?" For the few posts that didn't get into the archive Raul (MOP) did his best to reconstruct them the day after we discovered the problem. There is no mystery and no one has complained that there is a mystery over the course of the past quarter of a century other than you.

You're going to continue to beat this dead horse into galloping pony goo. The discussion is going nowhere so I'm out. I'm sure someone will be interested in continuing, it just won't be me.

 

[Timetravel_333]

its more like 3%

 

[Timetravel_333]

i only change my name to john titor so no one would come after me in this worldline or in others

 

[The Real McZero]

For the final time: There's only one official archive left and it is here on TTI. Any other "archive" is suspect, at least to the extend that neither Cosmo nor I have any idea as to how those particular copies have been maintained over the years. We do know how the archive has been maintained here. I know because it matches my archived copy that I hold beyond being simply air gapped (the HDD is not installed on a computer).

You are free to doubt that proffer but that's not my problem. The posts were made on this forum. The BBS software in use at the time was not intended for single threads over 10 pages. The end of the file on page 11 became corrupt. We saw it. We commented on it. Titor/TT0 saw it. He started a new thread "Topics Limited to 11 Pages?" For the few posts that didn't get into the archive Raul (MOP) did his best to reconstruct them the day after we discovered the problem. There is no mystery and no one has complained that there is a mystery over the course of the past quarter of a century other than you.

You're going to continue to beat this dead horse into galloping pony goo. The discussion is going nowhere so I'm out. I'm sure someone will be interested in continuing, it just won't be me.

(It's ALL suspect, and the Titor-verse is only a small part of it.)

Thank you for the information in these two threads, Darby. So far I've learned that, in addition to a software problem, there was an administrator deleting things.( Anyone can read through the comments on the thread about missing posts.) There is also reasonable suspicion of hacking. That accounts for a lot. Although I am a little disappointed that you couldn't give me any information on missing posts, I'm glad that people were recording them before they were deleted. They turned out to be quite valuable.

Is there a way to post pictures directly from my device? I have a screenshot of the Vanessa Bunn conversation from the Wayback Machine archives of artbell.com before it was removed(sometime after 2017). It includes the link.

 

[Jay Walker]

For the final time: There's only one official archive left and it is here on TTI. Any other "archive" is suspect, at least to the extend that neither Cosmo nor I have any idea as to how those particular copies have been maintained over the years. We do know how the archive has been maintained here. I know because it matches my archived copy that I hold beyond being simply air gapped (the HDD is not installed on a computer).

You are free to doubt that proffer but that's not my problem. The posts were made on this forum. The BBS software in use at the time was not intended for single threads over 10 pages. The end of the file on page 11 became corrupt. We saw it. We commented on it. Titor/TT0 saw it. He started a new thread "Topics Limited to 11 Pages?" For the few posts that didn't get into the archive Raul (MOP) did his best to reconstruct them the day after we discovered the problem. There is no mystery and no one has complained that there is a mystery over the course of the past quarter of a century other than you.

You're going to continue to beat this dead horse into galloping pony goo. The discussion is going nowhere so I'm out. I'm sure someone will be interested in continuing, it just won't be me.

lol!

 

[The Real McZero]

lol

Review the conversation.

You posted about evidence - Look see.
I respond with my evidence supports your evidence, says you're right but for different reasons.

I follow up by cautioning that we need to be careful how we base our theories and assertions, citing that:It's a cover story/straw man to hide stuff, evidence suggests other things, the chaos element of the Titor-verse diminishes integrity

Darby chimes in taking exception, says please back up your assertions.
I respond by explaining my assertions in more detail.

He picks the wrong post, makes a straw-man argument.
I respond by clarifying/restating which posts.

(Meanwhile, I also respond to his debunking of Razimus, citing that Razimus was at least correct on a couple of things, followed by a simple explanation as to how I know so.)

He challenges me to back up my assertions. When I do, I'm beating a dead horse and it is going nowhere? I think he means that it isn't going where he wants it to go so he is going to end it.

Take note of the last sentence in my response:
It means that what he claims doesn't exist came from the original Art Bell forum, but was removed post-2017.

I have a screenshot of the Vanessa Bunn conversation from the Wayback Machine archives of artbell.com before it was removed(sometime after 2017). It includes the link.

WTF?

 

[Jay Walker]

I am not questioning your evidence.

@Darby getting flustered made me giggle.

 

[Jay Walker]

Review the conversation.

You posted about evidence - Look see.
I respond with my evidence supports your evidence, says you're right but for different reasons.

I follow up by cautioning that we need to be careful how we base our theories and assertions, citing that:It's a cover story/straw man to hide stuff, evidence suggests other things, the chaos element of the Titor-verse diminishes integrity

Darby chimes in taking exception, says please back up your assertions.
I respond by explaining my assertions in more detail.

He picks the wrong post, makes a straw-man argument.
I respond by clarifying/restating which posts.

(Meanwhile, I also respond to his debunking of Razimus, citing that Razimus was at least correct on a couple of things, followed by a simple explanation as to how I know so.)

He challenges me to back up my assertions. When I do, I'm beating a dead horse and it is going nowhere? I think he means that it isn't going where he wants it to go so he is going to end it.

Take note of the last sentence in my response:
It means that what he claims doesn't exist came from the original Art Bell forum, but was removed post-2017.


WTF?

That is going to place I haven't considered, because I feel that if there was redacted, or suppressed information, there was still enough to draw a conclusion. There seems to be new evidence all the time. For instance, John says something like "I left at least 3 gems." Referencing 3 clues in prior posts that could validate his claims. Personally, I think the Optical Atomic Clocks was one of them. There are 2 still out there like Wonka bars with golden tickets stuffed in there lol.

 

[The Real McZero]

I am not questioning your evidence.

@Darby getting flustered made me giggle.

I don't know Darby, but I've read enough of his posts to say that's just Darby. He and the admins and other long-term members have had to deal with every kind of hoaxer dumb-ass and weirdo imaginable, and he's not going to let just anyone come in here talking BS. He's sizing me up, and I guess that's okay.

That is going to place I haven't considered, because I feel that if there was redacted, or suppressed information, there was still enough to draw a conclusion. There seems to be new evidence all the time.

The posts are LOADED with hidden clues and code talk references, even jokes, etc.. People don't realize the damage they do when tampering. I suppose there is enough redundancy to still 'get it', but it doesn't make it any easier. (sigh)

For instance, John says something like "I left at least 3 gems." Referencing 3 clues in prior posts that could validate his claims. Personally, I think the Optical Atomic Clocks was one of them. There are 2 still out there like Wonka bars with golden tickets stuffed in there lol.

"gems" = Gematria

They aren't in the posts, or even written in English. He's making cryptic references to them, I presume to prove that he knows of a very specific context.

 

[Jay Walker]

"gems" = Gematria

Don't you need a key, or legend in order to know for sure?

 

[The Real McZero]

Don't you need a key, or legend in order to know for sure?

I'm not sure I understand you. But I'll try.

Gematria is essentially a type of encryption that assigns numbers to letters and uses math and order to produce a number that represents a string of text(word/sentence). There are different methods/forms of gematria. So you have to know which method of gematria is being used.

For instance; If A=1 and B=2 and C=3 and so on.... that would mean JAY is 10+1+25=36

We could simply refer to you as 36. Unless someone knew of the name Jay and that we were using that particular method(A=1,B=2), they wouldn't understand what 36 meant. (...at least in theory)

 

[Jay Walker]

I'm not sure I understand you. But I'll try.

Gematria is essentially a type of encryption that assigns numbers to letters and uses math and order to produce a number that represents a string of text(word/sentence). There are different methods/forms of gematria. So you have to know which method of gematria is being used.

For instance; If A=1 and B=2 and C=3 and so on.... that would mean JAY is 10+1+25=36

We could simply refer to you as 36. Unless someone knew of the name Jay and that we were using that particular method(A=1,B=2), they wouldn't understand what 36 meant. (...at least in theory)

What I was asking was, what if they were using Gematria in a way that has a KEY. In other words, instead assigning letter to KNOWN numbers. But instead assign them to reverse numbers. A=36 B=35 etc. Or seemingly random numbers A= 45 B= 244 Then a key would resolve the cypher. Or they could do it A=1 B=2 C=3 but a key would resolve the results. I.E. Jay 10+1+25=36 / 36 = taco Tuesday.

In other words, a KEY map that resolves a cypher. Not to mention, there are thousands of different cyphers that could theoretically be used in text.

For example, There is a Baby Metal song called BxMxC and the lyrics refer to a cypher, and there is a lot of repetition within the lyrics, and I was trying to solve it for while, but the more I researched hidden messages in text I didn't realize that you would need to know what specific cypher they are using in order to solve it, making it impossible. Unless you guess the exact cypher, find a message that is resolved and it is legible, then hope it is correct.

That is my experience trying to resolve BxMxC.

P.S. What do you think about the story in a Beautiful Mind? He started seeing messages in the newspaper. John Nash was a brilliant mathematician that said he saw messages and codes hidden in the newspaper. Most people disregard him as having "schizo" episodes.

But I don't.

I think they told people that so any messages would be dismissed.
He was really working at the NSA for the cryptology dept. during the 50s.
They say he thought he was part of a super-secret government project that had to do with mind control.
Before he died, John Nash announced one day he was cured.
As far I am aware, schizophrenia doesn't somehow wear off. But during the 80s and 90s people called him a walking miracle. He stopped taking his meds all together.

Either he was a walking miracle like they say, or he was secretly apart of Project MK Ultra.

What do you think?

 

[The Real McZero]

What I was asking was, what if they were using Gematria in a way that has a KEY. In other words, instead assigning letter to KNOWN numbers. But instead assign them to reverse numbers. A=36 B=35 etc. Or seemingly random numbers A= 45 B= 244 Then a key would resolve the cypher. Or they could do it A=1 B=2 C=3 but a key would resolve the results. I.E. Jay 10+1+25=36 / 36 = taco Tuesday.

In other words, a KEY map that resolves a cypher. Not to mention, there are thousands of different cyphers that could theoretically be used in text.

I understand. But that is not the case with Titor. I discovered the gematria codes before finding the posts. From my perspective, it's obvious what he's eluding to.

For example, There is a Baby Metal song called BxMxC and the lyrics refer to a cypher, and there is a lot of repetition within the lyrics, and I was trying to solve it for while, but the more I researched hidden messages in text I didn't realize that you would need to know what specific cypher they are using in order to solve it, making it impossible. Unless you guess the exact cypher, find a message that is resolved and it is legible, then hope it is correct.

That is my experience trying to resolve BxMxC.

I'm not familiar with Baby Metal or BxMxC. I had to look it up. I like them. What exactly do you call that style/genre? Pop Metal?

Anyway, ..A freestyle rap session is also called a cypher, which is kind of what the song is. So BxMxC means Baby Metal Cypher according to fans talking about it on Reddit.

P.S. What do you think about the story in a Beautiful Mind? He started seeing messages in the newspaper. John Nash was a brilliant mathematician that said he saw messages and codes hidden in the newspaper. Most people disregard him as having "schizo" episodes.

But I don't.

I think they told people that so any messages would be dismissed.
He was really working at the NSA for the cryptology dept. during the 50s.
They say he thought he was part of a super-secret government project that had to do with mind control.
Before he died, John Nash announced one day he was cured.
As far I am aware, schizophrenia doesn't somehow wear off. But during the 80s and 90s people called him a walking miracle. He stopped taking his meds all together.

Either he was a walking miracle like they say, or he was secretly apart of Project MK Ultra.

What do you think?

I agree with you. They were obviously messing with him pretty hard.

I remember watching the scene where they all laid their pens on the table and thinking that he should stab the leader in the neck with one of them.

 

[PaulaJedi]

The posts are LOADED with hidden clues and code talk references, even jokes, etc.. People don't realize the damage they do when tampering. I suppose there is enough redundancy to still 'get it', but it doesn't make it any easier. (sigh)

Forum posts could make great time capsules or message delivery systems for the future, where AI can search for them in archives.

 

[Jay Walker]

I'm not familiar with Baby Metal or BxMxC. I had to look it up. I like them. What exactly do you call that style/genre? Pop Metal?

Anyway, ..A freestyle rap session is also called a cypher, which is kind of what the song is. So BxMxC means Baby Metal Cypher according to fans talking about it on Reddit.

Thank you for checking them out. They began a new genre as a matter of fact. They call it Kawaii Metal, or "cute" metal. A collaboration of metal music and J-Pop. As far as the song BxMxC is concerned. Yes, that is the title. Baby Metal Cypher. Eluding to the possibility that there is a cypher to be solved. Notice the x in between each letter. You are correct that it is a reference to freestyle rap, because Su-Metal goes into a rap session acapella like 8 mile. But the X in between is a musical notation that emphasizes a percussive hit, or ghost note. Still, the lyrics of the song as a whole seems like there is more to figure out.

I am sure you are aware of Alan Turing. What I found so interesting about how they cracked Enigma, was the repetition of phrases mandated by egotism.

However, there is a nuance in the Titor messages that I believe has a level of authentic conversation. For example, early in the posts:

Shadow accuses John of being a GE salesmen, but then says facetiously, "Most importantly why would Mr. 0 want to talk the likes of us?"

In which John replies:
"Why would I want to talk to you? Why don’t you believe you have something interesting or worthwhile to say to someone in the future?"
"Mr. “0”"

At the end he signs off with the signature Mr. 0. Showing the guy that he isn't oblivious to the slight and embraces it. At the same time, he answers with rhetorical questions of his own. In the same post, he kind of, off loads things that seem to have been on his mind for a while. I.E.

"No, I do not work for GE or any other company. Are “stock tips” really the first thing you want to know about in the future? As a representative of your time period, do you realize what that says about you? You should probably know that this time is not remembered for its selflessness, charity or ability to work together."

I was doing some reading last night for a project I am working on, and aside from some pictures, stories of accidental time-slips, and other stories riding the Titor tailcoat with John 2 and all that terribly planned hoax. There are no stories out there like this.

In other words, I think that most people are not very clever or have the where-with-all to conceive of something this complex. So, just on the surface, or at face value, this event is one of a kind. It isn't getting its proper dues on a surface level.

 

[Jay Walker]

I understand. But that is not the case with Titor. I discovered the gematria codes before finding the posts. From my perspective, it's obvious what he's eluding to.



I'm not familiar with Baby Metal or BxMxC. I had to look it up. I like them. What exactly do you call that style/genre? Pop Metal?

Anyway, ..A freestyle rap session is also called a cypher, which is kind of what the song is. So BxMxC means Baby Metal Cypher according to fans talking about it on Reddit.



I agree with you. They were obviously messing with him pretty hard.

I remember watching the scene where they all laid their pens on the table and thinking that he should stab the leader in the neck with one of them.

I just noticed that your name is not clickable. Anyways, I found something that might interest you.

The Complete John Titor posts : Weisshaupt : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive

PDF of John Titor's postings on various forums as well as copies of pictures and other materials he provided, presented in line with the original forum posts.

archive.org

 

[The Real McZero]

I am sure you are aware of Alan Turing. What I found so interesting about how they cracked Enigma, was the repetition of phrases mandated by egotism.

However, there is a nuance in the Titor messages that I believe has a level of authentic conversation. For example, early in the posts:

Shadow accuses John of being a GE salesmen, but then says facetiously, "Most importantly why would Mr. 0 want to talk the likes of us?"

In which John replies:
"Why would I want to talk to you? Why don’t you believe you have something interesting or worthwhile to say to someone in the future?"
"Mr. “0”"

At the end he signs off with the signature Mr. 0. Showing the guy that he isn't oblivious to the slight and embraces it. At the same time, he answers with rhetorical questions of his own. In the same post, he kind of, off loads things that seem to have been on his mind for a while. I.E.

I interpret that as him embracing being called "Mr. 0"

"No, I do not work for GE or any other company. Are “stock tips” really the first thing you want to know about in the future? As a representative of your time period, do you realize what that says about you? You should probably know that this time is not remembered for its selflessness, charity or ability to work together."

I interpret this as an expression of frustration with the pettiness of their interests. Time travel is god-like, and these idiots want to know about stock tips? From his perspective they are annoyingly greedy simpletons. From their perspective, what value is time travel other than to exploit for an edge in finances? Why not ask for stock tips?

That said, what if it is disingenuous? What if Titor is faking it, faking his personality, faking the arrogance and virtue signaling according to what he THINKS is someone's psychological profile?

I was doing some reading last night for a project I am working on, and aside from some pictures, stories of accidental time-slips, and other stories riding the Titor tailcoat with John 2 and all that terribly planned hoax. There are no stories out there like this.

In other words, I think that most people are not very clever or have the where-with-all to conceive of something this complex. So, just on the surface, or at face value, this event is one of a kind. It isn't getting its proper dues on a surface level.

Interesting point. There is a unique novelty value to it for sure.

 

[Jay Walker]

Why not ask for stock tips?

Funny you should mention it. He answers that, by saying "I would be taking away money from someone that worked hard to earn it and then giving it to you."

I don't know about you, but as I sift through all these posts and conversation, there is a theme that develops. Virtue, honor, patriotism, bravery, community, preparation, philosophy, the power of information, friendship, family, trust. I think people that found an interest in this story, are incredibly lucky, and more so for those who witnessed it. Most people: like the people that I know, dismiss it because it sounds silly. Others that enjoy this story also dismiss it as frivolous, due to uncertainty.

I don't think it is silly at all.

I find his candor refreshing.

Which leads me to another point.

The take-away for me, is that this cat is so out of place. He is such an oddball in terms of his openness and principle that it isn't surprising that people look for some kind of scam, lie, or hoax. People were skeptical then, and still are now, because that is what people do, they are always trying to scam people, always looking for the weakness in others so they can wait until the time is right to strike. That never happened with him. In all his imperfections and anger issues, maybe he trusted people too much, either way,

he really didn't belong here.

To me,

That is the smoking gun.

J.