More Darby-isms from the Titor Posts

[MEM]

Emmett (Darby) wrote:

"What surprises me about the believers is that they apparently never really looked closely at what Boomer was telling them. Here’s who Boomer says he is:

A civil war begins in the U.S. when he’s six years old (2004). By 2012, at age 14, he’s a member of a Florida vanguard revolutionary brigade fighting the “enemy state”. He and his military assist the former Soviet Union (Russia) with their invasion of the United States."

Of course Titor never said he “assisted Russia.” He did say in the USA civil war he was on the side of the “country.” Maybe we should go out and arrest every person now living in the “country” for plotting to help Russia launch missiles on the USA in 2015.

Emmett, it is obvious now that you simply made things up in an attempt to turn readers against Titor. Unless you have another explanation. I’d love to hear it.

Emmett wrote:

"He said, “The enemy attacked by Russia was the forces of the government you are under now.” He said that the conflict “will consume everyone in the U.S. by 2012”. This will be followed by a short WWIII in 2015. Surely some of the gentle readers have children. Lola has two teenagers. Who else has children, spouses, loved ones who will be of military service age between 2004 and 2012? Boomer admits to making war on the United States and giving aid and comfort to the invading enemy forces."

I challenge Emmett (Darby) to find any statement made by Titor where he said, referred to, or insinuated that he gave “aid and comfort to invading enemy forces.”

Emmett wrote:

"So – for the supporters: do you really hope that he’s what he says that he is? Is this what you want for your children?"

Another lamo attempt by Emmett (Darby) to “shame” readers into disbelieving Titor.

 

[Einstein]

Mem

Isn't it obvious yet? Titor happens to be Darby's favorite subject. Sometimes Darby will stretch the truth a bit to promote a good debate. It is actually quite refreshing sometimes to debate with him. He always leaves the door open for a good rebuttal. But so few actually catch him leaving the door open. IMHO I believe Darby believes Titor was a real time traveler.

 

[newbie_0]

I challenge Emmett (Darby) to find any statement made by Titor where he said, referred to, or insinuated that he gave “aid and comfort to invading enemy forces.”

imo, the aid would be fighting the current administration and the comfort would be not fighting russia after their mutual enemy was destroyed. Titor did try to explain that the current administration were the ones who started firing on crowds and searching peoples homes. He said this would start last year before the election and we'd see something every month starting in 05. Nothing.

 

[MEM]

imo, the aid would be fighting the current administration and the comfort would be not fighting russia after their mutual enemy was destroyed. Titor did try to explain that the current administration were the ones who started firing on crowds and searching peoples homes. He said this would start last year before the election and we'd see something every month starting in 05. Nothing.

That's certainly one of many interpretations of Titor's posts.

 

[Darby]

MEM,

Here's the Titorisms behind your Darby quotes:

From 7-Nov-00 on "Time Travel Paradoxes" (TTI)

timetravel_0: Wow...that's a big question. There is a civil war in the United States that starts in 2005. That conflict flares up and down for 10 years. In 2015, Russia launches a nuclear strike against the major cities in the United States (which is the "other side" of the civil war from my perspective), China and Europe. The United States counter attacks. The US cities are destroyed along with the AFE (American Federal Empire)...thus we (in the country) won. The European Union and China were also destroyed. Russia is now our largest trading partner and the Capitol of the US was moved to Omaha Nebraska.

Russia interceded in the civil war by nuking the USA cities and "we won" (Titor's Revolutionaries). Russia is now the revolutionary government's largest trading partner.

The definition of treason is found in the U.S. Constitution. It is narrowly defined as the making of war on the USA or giving aid and comfort to the enemies of the USA. As he was the revolutionary making war on the USA and gave aid and comfort not only to his revolutionary cadres but to Russia he committed treason. His revolutionary government made Russia their most favored trading partner as payment for their alliance in the civil war. From our POV that is also an act of giving aid and comfort to the enemies of the USA.

It's a time travel story. That this occurs after the war in a linear temporal fashion becomes irrelevent. In the story, time as experienced by the characters is not necessarily linear.

On 12-Dec-00 he attempts to justify his support of Russia by posting:

You are also correct but I want to add a twist to your thinking. Russia’s enemy in the United States is not you, the average person. Russia’s enemy is the United States government.

This is an attempt to alienate "The People" from "We the People." We are the government, thus we are the enemy. And he clearly states the intent of nuclear war on 26-Feb-00:

Nuclear war will be very effective at destroying an enemy’s economy and the people's will to fight.

Note that he doesn't say that it is intended to destroy the government's will to fight. It is intended to destroy the people's will to fight.

And if you still have any doubts...from the IRC log:

wyrmkin_37 : i saw russia and china but not usa
TimeTravel_0 : From my point of view...Russia helps us. We win.
G° : how so?
TimeTravel_0 : But Im a little pissed right now. Is that still the right
word?
wyrmkin_37 : wheat, money........lets make friends
G° : ?
TimeTravel_0 : The civil war in the US has two sides.
TimeTravel_0 : I fought on one side.
G° : they usualy do
wyrmkin_37 : proceed sir................
TimeTravel_0 : The other side got nuked by Russia.

OK, now...what part, exactly, was it that I made up?

 

[MEM]

By your logic then everyone now living in the "country" is a traitor. Where do you live?

To your question:

OK, now...what part, exactly, was it that I made up?

This part, exactly:

"He and his military assist the former Soviet Union (Russia) with their invasion of the United States."

Explain where you get that Titor assisted Russia launch nuclear missles on the USA. Where did Titor say that Russia invaded the USA?

"Boomer admits to making war on the United States and giving aid and comfort to the invading enemy forces."

Where did you get that Titor gave "giving aid and comfort to the invading enemy forces"?

And just address these statements directly. There are only two. That should be easy. /ttiforum/images/graemlins/smile.gif

You've gottaalotta splainin' to do Lucy.

That's for starters. I've got a lot more.

 

[Darby]

MEM,

Objection, Your Honor. Asked and answered.

Sustained.

The witness has responded very directly to your question by applying the appropriate Titor quotes. Move on, counselor.

 

[MEM]

I really didn't expect you to answer this post directly. You never do. You just pull things out of the air and post it hoping no one calls you on it. And when they do you run and hide.

And you don't stand behind your own words or admit when you're wrong.

 

[Darby]

MEM,

I don't understand your angst here. In your initial post you asked me to point out where Titor made certain statements. I cut and pasted the appurtenant posts for you.

To reiterate, however, you asked where Titor said he “assisted Russia” as an ally in the civil war. I posted several Titor quotes for you but I'll again post the most direct reference that he made:

TimeTravel_0 : From my point of view...Russia helps us. We win.

Help, verb (to help, infinitive form)

1. To give assistance to; aid
2. To contribute to the furtherance of; promote.

To make myself clear on this on going issue, it is absolutely OK with me that you don't agree with my assessment. This is a forum to discuss issues. It would be a rather boring discussion if everyone agreed with each other.

By your logic then everyone now living in the "country" is a traitor.

Absolutely not. Treason is defined in Article III, Section 3 of the U.S. Constitution:

Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court.

 

[RenUnconscious]

It would be a rather boring discussion if everyone agreed with each other.

Darby,

I agree.

 

[MEM]

it is absolutely OK with me that you don't agree with my assessment. This is a forum to discuss issues. It would be a rather boring discussion if everyone agreed with each other.

Yes. Those are indeed words of wisdom. And let's leave it at that. I do enjoy a good debate and welcome the chance to debate on current events versus what happened years ago.