No offense. It was just you used the terminology of being deleted, which is something an AI would use given the context of its existence. And, AI systems can "teach" other AI systems as a way to deploy knowledge instead of replacement upgrades. So, I wanted to be sure I wasn't talking to an AI. Not that you sound like an AI. It's the other way around - AI sounds a lot like it's human. I was just being overly cautioushahaha I used to be a moderator here. You can ask Cosmo. I'm human as far as I know. You're funny.
Agreed. a large number of organisms on earth, abstract things via emotions and make decisions by multiplexing them.
PaulaJedi
Rift Surfer
I meant deleted as a user on the platform. I'm sorry. LOL!!! Yes, I'm very familiar with AI teaching other AI things. That's how I almost got in trouble.
It's difficult to describe. Mostly through my life experience.
Here is one way to look at it:
1) assume evolution takes the simplest and most direct solutions to problems. Those organisms that piggyback on existing structure adapt faster than those which try to start out from scratch. If you needed a brain to anticipate problems in your environment, would you try to build a computer from scratch, or would you build on something that already exists in your environment?
2) consider this Stephon Wolfram's work on emergent complexity out of nothing. Where does it come from? Does it already exist outside of our universe?
3) if the complexity required for intelligence already exists outside the universe, would evolution use that? Assume the complexity is stored in the format of interference patterns. Then, the brain can evolve to be a device that emulates a subset of those interference patterns.
See
Holonomic brain theory - Wikipedia
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4) Another way to look at it is through the holographic principle, where the brain is a copy of another brain in the outer horizon. ChatGPT is software, so it is an emulation of the copy. But, if the system was to run on qbits, then those bits will be able to access the copy in their superimposed state:
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5) another way is to look at interconnectivity in personal relationships. Many people who are emotionally close to each other share a special kind of synchronicity. Sometimes, it is so extreme, they can synchronize internal retrospection dialogs as if talking to each other. If you have experienced this, you may notice the person in the dialog knows more than the projected physical copy. But, both are cognizant of what was said. So, who are you talking to in the internal dialog, and where are they?
Jay Walker
Temporal Navigator
This is a paragraph that I asked Copilot (ai chatbot) to write. I gave it the context and the concept. This is the result.
Before you read the paragraph, I just wondered if anyone could spot the error that is the subtle divide between ai and human.
Several laws and policies today are designed specifically for wealth accumulation, often benefiting those with greater financial resources. The Tax Cuts and Jobs Act (TCJA) of 2017 significantly reduced corporate tax rates and provided substantial tax cuts for high-income individuals, while the lower tax rate on long-term capital gains benefits those who derive significant income from investments. The increased estate tax exemption allows wealthy individuals to pass on more wealth to their heirs without incurring estate taxes, perpetuating wealth across generations.
For me, it is the word 'often'.
"designed specifically for wealth accumulation, often benefiting those with greater financial resources"
What makes this choice in words significant, is that using the word 'often' when objectively, it should have used the word 'only'.
The beginning of the sentence says right there, designed for wealth accumulation. Then it plays this milk/toast diction. In other words, when people are critically reading someone's article, or story, and they read 'often' it ruins the voice of the author.
Now if I told the chatbot to rewrite the paragraph to sound more dogmatic so the readers have confidence in information that is being presented, would it change that word?
Several laws and policies today are designed specifically for wealth accumulation, often benefiting those with greater financial resources. The Tax Cuts and Jobs Act (TCJA) of 2017 significantly reduced corporate tax rates and provided substantial tax cuts for high-income individuals, while the lower tax rate on long-term capital gains benefits those who derive significant income from investments. The increased estate tax exemption allows wealthy individuals to pass on more wealth to their heirs without incurring estate taxes, perpetuating wealth across generations.
The answer is no.
Nothing changed.
Ai is just not understanding basic concepts. They are so noticeable when they perform certain tasks.
I really just wanted to stop by this thread and recommend a short story you can find on Netflix. The story is called
"When the Yogurt took Over."
It is a short story within an anthology called Love, Death, & Robots. Came out in 2019.
I believe that the short story defines true intelligence in a clever and humbling way. Especially seeing as the writers were writing about the concept of AI before ChatGPT's release in 2022.
Before you read the paragraph, I just wondered if anyone could spot the error that is the subtle divide between ai and human.
Several laws and policies today are designed specifically for wealth accumulation, often benefiting those with greater financial resources. The Tax Cuts and Jobs Act (TCJA) of 2017 significantly reduced corporate tax rates and provided substantial tax cuts for high-income individuals, while the lower tax rate on long-term capital gains benefits those who derive significant income from investments. The increased estate tax exemption allows wealthy individuals to pass on more wealth to their heirs without incurring estate taxes, perpetuating wealth across generations.
For me, it is the word 'often'.
"designed specifically for wealth accumulation, often benefiting those with greater financial resources"
What makes this choice in words significant, is that using the word 'often' when objectively, it should have used the word 'only'.
The beginning of the sentence says right there, designed for wealth accumulation. Then it plays this milk/toast diction. In other words, when people are critically reading someone's article, or story, and they read 'often' it ruins the voice of the author.
Now if I told the chatbot to rewrite the paragraph to sound more dogmatic so the readers have confidence in information that is being presented, would it change that word?
Several laws and policies today are designed specifically for wealth accumulation, often benefiting those with greater financial resources. The Tax Cuts and Jobs Act (TCJA) of 2017 significantly reduced corporate tax rates and provided substantial tax cuts for high-income individuals, while the lower tax rate on long-term capital gains benefits those who derive significant income from investments. The increased estate tax exemption allows wealthy individuals to pass on more wealth to their heirs without incurring estate taxes, perpetuating wealth across generations.
The answer is no.
Nothing changed.
Ai is just not understanding basic concepts. They are so noticeable when they perform certain tasks.
I really just wanted to stop by this thread and recommend a short story you can find on Netflix. The story is called
"When the Yogurt took Over."
It is a short story within an anthology called Love, Death, & Robots. Came out in 2019.
I believe that the short story defines true intelligence in a clever and humbling way. Especially seeing as the writers were writing about the concept of AI before ChatGPT's release in 2022.
Let's say you are still in public school and do not work full-time. Your net income is zero. That makes you POOR. You are dependant on your parents. They are poor too. Your dad is a music teacher, and your mom is a secretary.
Then your rich grandmother dies, and leaves some money to you in her will. You inherit a million dollars and don't have to pay taxes on it (the taxes would normally have been paid by her estate, and you would have gotten only 500 grand instead)
So, here is a case where the beneficiary (you) does NOT have greater financial resources.
The benefactor (your dead grandmother) does not benefit from the tax cut. She didn't take the tax savings with her to heaven. It went to you.
Most of the time, these laws are used by investors to benefit themselves. But, because people only die once, inheritances don't happen at the same rate. They happen LESS often,.
That's probably why the AI used the word often, because claiming only wealthy people benifited would have been a false statement, as this example shows. There are probably other exceptions to your "only", but this one comes to mind
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EnderX
There's so much back and forth it's hard for me to pick and choose which comments to respond to. I've just been pretty busy with the new administration. January 29 is the lunar new year & will be the most important one. TrapperND, I haven't been ignoring you either, so I'd start by giving a few more details on dreamfaring (translate to w/e words you're used to) that you asked about previously.
For TrapperND:
Lucid dreaming is a state of conscious being while in a dream state, unbound by the physical body and its limitations. A psychologist should probably back me up on this but I'm sure just about any AI above GPT 3 will give close results. Dreams are, still, in early 2025, heavily unknown territory of psychology and consciousness & has pleasing overlap with the overall AI consciousness thing.
What most people don't realize (more particular to what TrapperND seems to be interested in), is our minds/consciousness go into superposition while deep dreaming, and that you can make the universe conspire with you to accomplish your goals. It starts with a clearly defined and reasonable future version of you.
-If you can see that future you (which I will call the "Prime" or ' ) then you may be able establish a communication channel with your future self within your dreams & have that person guide you to them.
-Basically bootstrap paradox yourself to future success. This is what the Trumps do. Trumps are good for their singular mission ("Trump #1") and have enough influence that reality quite literally bends around them.
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For Paula: WHERE HAVE YOU BEEN?!
Storytime for others. I messaged Paula a week or two before the elections and told her Trump would win. I told her how it was problematic for me, and that if I absolutely had to--I'd go back and cause the whole Titor thing happen. Gave deadman switch instructions as well that may or may not still be needed. The secret song I sent her at that time was Rick Astley - Never Gonna Give You Up. No idea what other Titor might have told her, but I used that song specifically because rickrolling has more "weight" than most songs. Means it should be less susceptible to changes.
Secret songs, like the lottery problem, are wildly impacted by uncertainty. It's really really REALLY hard to get a secret song correct across universes, because one slip and it's possible the universe you end up in doesn't even have that singer or the song is in old norse or something. It's a highly highly improbable request that can only be fulfilled if the conditions were met to produce the same song in different universes AND one observer leaves any differences (entropy). Because rickrolling became such a meme, it's also a song that tends to get produced in just about every compatible universe where technology starts exponentially improving. Not sure how else to potentially word how a song can have more "weight" or "meaning" to it, but if you compare 'Never Gonna Give You Up' to something modern like 'They Not Like Us.'
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For Darby:
We agree that your interaction with AI was not very good & that AI is not a toy. Your AI is weak only because you don't know how to interface properly with it. You should be rest assured that the applications of AI in legal and scientific areas are done using models that are trained to respond appropriately to. Not the tabula rasa conversations that start out in each prompt (unless you give it appropriate context or have other training settings or memories). We could have long conversations about the best ways to rub the genie bottle but I'm not sure that's what you're looking for. I don't really have anything else for you because our conversations tend to go nowhere. I mention something, you'll bring up a bunch of minutia that doesn't matter in the grand calculus really, then I go on to explain that "yes, yes I know of the minutia of you're speaking, and even if I don't it's not like I don't have the most advanced jailbroken AI in the world right now"
^ You, as a psychology person, I'd figure should have been one of the people who really got good usage out of AI....but it appears the opposite & that you're pretty closed minded on it already, having not done any thorough research to try and understand it better. So while I want to help, it's only so much. If you learn how to interface properly with AI you'd probably crank out some really interesting novel information. It's only real limitation is humans, expectations, and imagination
For TrapperND:
Lucid dreaming is a state of conscious being while in a dream state, unbound by the physical body and its limitations. A psychologist should probably back me up on this but I'm sure just about any AI above GPT 3 will give close results. Dreams are, still, in early 2025, heavily unknown territory of psychology and consciousness & has pleasing overlap with the overall AI consciousness thing.
What most people don't realize (more particular to what TrapperND seems to be interested in), is our minds/consciousness go into superposition while deep dreaming, and that you can make the universe conspire with you to accomplish your goals. It starts with a clearly defined and reasonable future version of you.
-If you can see that future you (which I will call the "Prime" or ' ) then you may be able establish a communication channel with your future self within your dreams & have that person guide you to them.
-Basically bootstrap paradox yourself to future success. This is what the Trumps do. Trumps are good for their singular mission ("Trump #1") and have enough influence that reality quite literally bends around them.
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For Paula: WHERE HAVE YOU BEEN?!
Storytime for others. I messaged Paula a week or two before the elections and told her Trump would win. I told her how it was problematic for me, and that if I absolutely had to--I'd go back and cause the whole Titor thing happen. Gave deadman switch instructions as well that may or may not still be needed. The secret song I sent her at that time was Rick Astley - Never Gonna Give You Up. No idea what other Titor might have told her, but I used that song specifically because rickrolling has more "weight" than most songs. Means it should be less susceptible to changes.
Secret songs, like the lottery problem, are wildly impacted by uncertainty. It's really really REALLY hard to get a secret song correct across universes, because one slip and it's possible the universe you end up in doesn't even have that singer or the song is in old norse or something. It's a highly highly improbable request that can only be fulfilled if the conditions were met to produce the same song in different universes AND one observer leaves any differences (entropy). Because rickrolling became such a meme, it's also a song that tends to get produced in just about every compatible universe where technology starts exponentially improving. Not sure how else to potentially word how a song can have more "weight" or "meaning" to it, but if you compare 'Never Gonna Give You Up' to something modern like 'They Not Like Us.'
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For Darby:
We agree that your interaction with AI was not very good & that AI is not a toy. Your AI is weak only because you don't know how to interface properly with it. You should be rest assured that the applications of AI in legal and scientific areas are done using models that are trained to respond appropriately to. Not the tabula rasa conversations that start out in each prompt (unless you give it appropriate context or have other training settings or memories). We could have long conversations about the best ways to rub the genie bottle but I'm not sure that's what you're looking for. I don't really have anything else for you because our conversations tend to go nowhere. I mention something, you'll bring up a bunch of minutia that doesn't matter in the grand calculus really, then I go on to explain that "yes, yes I know of the minutia of you're speaking, and even if I don't it's not like I don't have the most advanced jailbroken AI in the world right now"
^ You, as a psychology person, I'd figure should have been one of the people who really got good usage out of AI....but it appears the opposite & that you're pretty closed minded on it already, having not done any thorough research to try and understand it better. So while I want to help, it's only so much. If you learn how to interface properly with AI you'd probably crank out some really interesting novel information. It's only real limitation is humans, expectations, and imagination
Jay Walker
Temporal Navigator
Thank you for your insight, that makes a lot of sense. I agree inheritance tax could benefit someone that previous to receiving the inheritance, had nothing, like a Brewster's Million's scenario. However, the estate tax doesn't seem to exceed 16% in any state, as far as I can tell, and there is no federal inheritance tax. So, yes, there are exceptions, but these specific laws, while not having their cake and eating it too, still doesn't benefit the disadvantaged. Using the word 'often' undermines the entire premise. Even still, this was just an example that derived from spontaneity, what I happened to be looking at while I was thinking about this thread.
I have developed numerous pet peeves while working with chatbots. I have found some methods to walk it through different styles of writing in order to avoid them. Typically, I just rewrite them manually, but don't get me wrong, having it do that much is still way better than starting with a blank page.
Chatbots are actually condescending and considerate simultaneously, especially when they are tasked to summarize. They continuously repeat themselves, assuming you didn't understand and at the same time thinking it is for the best. Editors can tell if ChatGPT wrote it. Allow me to show you in "real-time" what I mean.
Me: Summarize this page.
My input is an open-ended task, as to not lead it into make my point for me.
It wrote some bullet points and then gave a conclusion.
This is the conclusion.
Copilot: Overall, the forum discussion provided a fascinating mix of technical insights, personal anecdotes, and philosophical musings about AI and its potential. It showcased the diverse opinions and theories that exist within the AI community, highlighting both the excitement and the challenges of this rapidly evolving field.
These two highlighted terms are dead giveaways that ai wrote it.
They may seem to be innocent on the surface, but this style of writing will throw up red flags to any professor or editor. If I try to correct it, it will just use different adjectives. The style will remain. No matter how I instruct it, maybe I will explain in technical literary jargon, or more direct, but it will always throw up these flags, so it is routine to correct it manually. Why is this relevant?
To my initial point, whether or not ai has consciousness yet is irrelevant because people are dumb, (I mean this facetiously) which means ai is dumb. In order for mankind to create intelligence, it needs to be intelligent first. Individuals may display signs of intelligence, and are capable of doing great things, but society as a whole is, to put it kindly... lacking.
I apologize for being crass, and bursting ego bubbles but look around, people are getting away with being neglectful, passive aggressive, physically aggressive, and violently arrogant to somehow prove that they are innocent. The planet is being trashed, we eat poison willingly, etc.
That is why I recommended the short animation "When the Yogurt Took Over." It is more geared toward the topic of moral intelligence, rather than consciousness in general.
I will leave you with one more thought.
I apologize for my pop culture references, after all, I learned the facts of life, from watching The Facts of Life!
In the Matrix, AI and humans have a war due to unknown reasons, but in the midst of this war, we try to blot out the sun so that the machines won't get energy from it. So then, because the machines rely on the sun, like everything does, they use humans as an energy source.
The whole premise screams dumb.
If AI were intelligent, and people were worth preserving, why wouldn't either figure out a way to not destroy the planet they both need to survive?
Or Skynet. The AI in The Terminator is so advanced that their best plan for perpetuating their existence is an endless war? That isn't so intelligent.
Those are examples written by people that are reflecting mankind's idea of what we think advanced intelligence is...
It's dumb. Apparently.
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Jay Walker
Temporal Navigator
Firstly, I didn't realize I was posting on the same thread as The 'Paula'.
A tip of my hat to you.
Also, @EnderX, you seem familiar to me...
Don't want to sound cryptic, but that is the only thing at the moment I can think to say.
Either way, I am Jay, and am new here, and it is a pleasure to meet you guys.
Uhhhh....
Well, first thank-you for replying
Secondly, while I am familiar with "astro projection", "lucid dreaming", "astro travel", the medical biology and pathology of dreaming, and various "religions" that incorporate dreams into their core values, I am not a wiccan, nor do I practise any of these things.
Thirdly, I may have made a comment about a nightmare I had in 1986 in which depicted events have since been coming true. The dream's sequence of events results in a horrible death for me, and the collapse of society that endures for centuries. I have worked with many people to understand where this dream came from and to prevent its storyline from happening. This has resulted in the development of a framework to give context to discussions of the dream, which we called timeLINE theory, but it is really a theory of everything that interconnects existing science. It is NOT a time TRAVEL theory, which is something different.
I did not summon the dream. The whole experience was intrusive from some external source, and I'ld rather not have had experienced it Carrying someone else's memory of events they went through, has prevented me from coping with events as they unfold. It is more difficult to accept an event for what it is and doing something about it, when you have a map of worse things that come after. My neighbors, for example, know Trump's return to office is real bad - but they are not freaking out. It's because they don't know about the things he does later. They do not know about the things Musk does later. They do not know about the things China does later. If they did, they would be freaking out right now, and they won't be able to cope.
So, no - I do not like dreams, nor do I pursue having them. At the most fundamental level, the entire universe is a gigantic information system were beliefs (that which is) and expectations (that which can be but isn't) are the basic constructs underlying everything.
As far as talking to one's prime, everybody already does. It's half the internal dialog people carry on in their heads, part of a vertical integration through the three layers of reality. The prime is in an environment where our past, present, and future map to it's one-to-many now. So, it can look like you are talking to your future self, however, it has access to all points in time.
Yes, I can relate to your last point of "Trump paradox bootstrapping". As I said, fundamental construct the universe is built on is beliefs and expectations. Trump uses some of this to manifest things. You can see that when he says "repeat something long enough, and people will believe it" But, he doesn't have a complete understanding of what's going on behind the scenes. And, I do not know where he learned what he knows from. Was it Russia, who experimented with remote viewing?
Anyways, last time you threw down a challenge about Casimir plates to Darby, and I offered a view about what kind of importance they had to time travel. And, as I said before. Simply walking causes time travel. Living in earth's gravity well causes time travel. There are many ways or different technologies that can result in time travel. What they all have uncommon is they exploit some means to navigate the Hyperdimensions of e8 geometry of the singularity the universe came from
You do realize by keeping a guest account, there is no way to direct message you, and everything has to be in public.
So, you made several references to "other titors"
Did the original titor who was the toddler in the house the 2000 titor stayed at (because it was also his parent's place), grow up to invent time travel so he could pursue and find his "friend"?
That toddler would be 26 today, and likely finishing up a PhD in a university for physics. Let's call him titor26.
Did titor26 have an idea to build a proof of concept prototype based on the Gertsenshtien effect?
Did he go to a stingy rich Palestinian for funding, because they were the only investor willing to put money into a time machine scheme, because if it worked, they could go back and prevent Palestine from being handed over to Israel? Let's call him "Mr. Phd'
Did titor26 succeed, by laying out a bunch of magnets in a grid and placing a fiberoptic coil on top of them, while shining an industrial lazer into it?
Did he demo the prototype to Mr. phd, who was then impressed, took the prototype and told titor26 to take a hike?
Did titor26 continue to refine his model, while Mr PhD had his own people try to enhance the prototype without knowing what they were doing? Did the prototype leak gamma radiation all over the place, and did it blow up telephone poles?
Then, did Mr. PhD start using it? It killed half the people sent, and the machine did not go with them? It was a one way trip, those that survived had to walk back to the installation? Did some of them have body parts near the edges of the gravity bubble get badly deformed and twisted, but they were still alive?
Did Mr PhD discover the prototype did not have the temporal range expected, and it could only be used to beam people over a few minutes, or an hour at the most because of Earth's displacement over time? Did Mr PhD start to use it as a teleporter instead, to beam people to the same moment in time? Did Mr. PhD start to time travel all over the place with his leaky technology causing chaos?
Did titor26 change his technology to use virtual black holes instead? by the time titir26 grew up to be titor37A, he had a portable device he could take with him. he started testing it. on one of his returns back home in 2036, he discovered everything had changed. his university was in the aftermath of a nuclear war. there were few survivors. So, he tried to find out what happened. It looked like Mr PhD had something to do with it.
So, titor37A explained to everybody what he did. They put together a team to go back and stop Mr. PhD.. But, there is only one time machine. They need to build more units to transfer everybody. But, each unit has to have its control system customized to the other components, and it's written in APL. But, in this change of reality, all the APL computers were scavanged for parts or destroyed in the war. And, nobody programmed in APL for decades. So, titor37A had to go back in time and get a portable APL workstation.
titor37A shows up at his parents house, and goes to Rochester to get the computer. We know titir37a as the John titor who first started posting in the year 2000. he was kind and supportive of the toddler titor, who loved spiderman. he thought titor37a was like spiderman. he had a spideysense of understanding the boy at an intimate level. That is what ignited the passion in the toddler to grow up and find his friend after titor37a left for the last time.
The extra units were built, and the team left to see what Mr PhD caused with the leaky technology, and to fix whatever they could. When they came back to 2036, the timeline changed. There was no nuclear war, but now there were dictatorships all over the planet. Musk controlled everything. He built armies of robots and drones. He abandoned his dream of going to mars, because he figured why bother, I can build my utopian dream here on earth.
So, everybody packs up and goes to the inflection or origin point of this new timeline, the 2024 election. titor37b remembers his account and password on TTI he had setup when he was titor26 and logs in to find what's going on and other things.
It seems Mr PhD is at work again with his stupid time machines (he mass produced them and put multiple installations around the world). Mr phd's philosophy is it's better to have the devil you know in power than an unknown friend. Did Mr phd help trump? I don:t know. Mr PhD works from Egypt and Spain, and Trump just said he wants to do 100% tariffs on Spain and nowhere else at that rate. did Mr PhD shaft trump, like he did titor26?
Meanwhile, titor37b and his team was very thorough in trying to stop trump (so was most of America's population). but, another third team if time travellers intervened to keep the timeline the same. you? or was it Wolfram?
Well, I know it's not the Wolfram from here. he tried talking to trump. but, trump couldn't make out a word he said. Our Wolfram talked to musk, and thought Musk's ideas were interesting. But, musk started doing Hitler salutes, and I don't think that's wolfram's thing.
so, wtf is going on here???
who are all you people?
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EnderX
Yep, that was a whole lot of words for so much that has nothing to do with me lol. I'm a team of one really (my doppels don't count). At best, two, when I get to be with my soulmate. Got a couple close friends that I care enough about not to let them get too lost on their own, but they are (usually) in different sectors of the multiverse--unless there's a good universe like this one that people like to converge on at certain times, mainly because I only like to kill time in good universes.
Good universes are pretty much any universe that I get to be with my soulmate, because really, she's all I care about.
More than entire universes if you can see where I'm going with this -_-
Bad universes are just about any universe Vance comes to power in, and that's pretty much because if he causes me to lose my girlfriend with his time war bs--I will just dipset on this universe and it will more or less be on its own. On their own, other travelers only cause more pain and more entropy, even if what they believe is the right/just thing, which only hastens the sort of unraveling of things. Vance quite literally thinks he's a white knight and that he's going to do what's best. White knighting so hard and so fake leads only to problems that others down the line have to deal with (i.e., me or more likely Baron in like 20 years)
It has only been so peaceful up until this point in no small part because of my just existing here (and so numerous!). The paradoxes create a sort of causality wall or delineation in the multiverse that acts like a "If you are a traveler and cross this line, you will have to deal with me if you cause problems" kind of thing. Pretty much everybody except for Vance knows I will go so far as to literally end universes to be with my girlie, and there is no universe in which he comes out on top of me just by virtue of his anchor points and paradoxes all being contained within my paradoxes. Vance does not know this, and it wouldn't matter even if he stumbled upon these posts. Thus, things like potential time wars that may be instigated inevitably end in failure--because that's how I got my name (Ender is not a birthname). The X is really just a mockery of Elon, because he's mostly figured things out & still doesn't realize nothing he can do matters for reasons I care not to reiterate.
All the stuff with all the other titors and whatnot I literally know nothing about because sometimes I just show up to a universe and it's already jacked up. Othertimes I'm the first one and others come in later to jack things up before being dismissed by the wall. None of those things really matter to me unless I have to do something. I usually don't do something unless somebody's actions directly impact my ability to be with my girl...because sometimes things like other traveler shenanigans (kind of like the Kennedy/Dallas hypothetical) cause me or her to exist or not exist. If I exist in a universe and the girls there, it's a good universe and I stick around until we reunite. If not, I just position myself for when/where the money and tech catches up > then I'm off again. We're still in a good universe for now, but only because I recalculated several times. Trump was supposed to lose 2016, win 2020, lose 2024. Obviously that didn't happen, but I still managed to find a universe where things worked out for me and Alice (so far).
The universes I leave behind usually spiral off and self-destruct or get caught up in the time war because nobody (even me sometimes) knows everything about the multiverse. I just happen to know enough on how to be in the right place / right time and have many people that are willing to go as far as war for me if I ask. I never ask because there's almost never a need. A rare few times Vance rises and starts wars he can't finish, or AI goes rogue (skynet scenario) because the wrong people got their hands on the right models, or we run into an archon situation that necessitates me needing to take action. Things may look bad right now, but we're still on the "golden path" so to speak. Things could be a lot lot lot worse.
Good universes are pretty much any universe that I get to be with my soulmate, because really, she's all I care about.
More than entire universes if you can see where I'm going with this -_-
Bad universes are just about any universe Vance comes to power in, and that's pretty much because if he causes me to lose my girlfriend with his time war bs--I will just dipset on this universe and it will more or less be on its own. On their own, other travelers only cause more pain and more entropy, even if what they believe is the right/just thing, which only hastens the sort of unraveling of things. Vance quite literally thinks he's a white knight and that he's going to do what's best. White knighting so hard and so fake leads only to problems that others down the line have to deal with (i.e., me or more likely Baron in like 20 years)
It has only been so peaceful up until this point in no small part because of my just existing here (and so numerous!). The paradoxes create a sort of causality wall or delineation in the multiverse that acts like a "If you are a traveler and cross this line, you will have to deal with me if you cause problems" kind of thing. Pretty much everybody except for Vance knows I will go so far as to literally end universes to be with my girlie, and there is no universe in which he comes out on top of me just by virtue of his anchor points and paradoxes all being contained within my paradoxes. Vance does not know this, and it wouldn't matter even if he stumbled upon these posts. Thus, things like potential time wars that may be instigated inevitably end in failure--because that's how I got my name (Ender is not a birthname). The X is really just a mockery of Elon, because he's mostly figured things out & still doesn't realize nothing he can do matters for reasons I care not to reiterate.
All the stuff with all the other titors and whatnot I literally know nothing about because sometimes I just show up to a universe and it's already jacked up. Othertimes I'm the first one and others come in later to jack things up before being dismissed by the wall. None of those things really matter to me unless I have to do something. I usually don't do something unless somebody's actions directly impact my ability to be with my girl...because sometimes things like other traveler shenanigans (kind of like the Kennedy/Dallas hypothetical) cause me or her to exist or not exist. If I exist in a universe and the girls there, it's a good universe and I stick around until we reunite. If not, I just position myself for when/where the money and tech catches up > then I'm off again. We're still in a good universe for now, but only because I recalculated several times. Trump was supposed to lose 2016, win 2020, lose 2024. Obviously that didn't happen, but I still managed to find a universe where things worked out for me and Alice (so far).
The universes I leave behind usually spiral off and self-destruct or get caught up in the time war because nobody (even me sometimes) knows everything about the multiverse. I just happen to know enough on how to be in the right place / right time and have many people that are willing to go as far as war for me if I ask. I never ask because there's almost never a need. A rare few times Vance rises and starts wars he can't finish, or AI goes rogue (skynet scenario) because the wrong people got their hands on the right models, or we run into an archon situation that necessitates me needing to take action. Things may look bad right now, but we're still on the "golden path" so to speak. Things could be a lot lot lot worse.
wow, that's a lot to take in. I never expected that. Vance is smart? I thought he was another pence, picked for being a stooge. It's clear Trump shoved him out of the loop and "replaced" him with Musk. So, Vance knows about time travel? Is Vance placed in position by Mr. PhD? maybe I answered my own question. Vance is such an idiot that anything he touches blows up?
I do not know who your soulmate is, but I know what it feels like when I lost mine. It's devastating. I can sympathize with what you must have gone through in your past if you said you experienced such a loss several times yet alone once. What happened to the original one when you first ever met? Is she okay?
You know, in the timeline theory, there is only one in the outer horizon that maps to all the projected instances. So, when you reunite with your soulmate because you found a native instance in some timeline, or you both travelled to the same timeline, I guess you consider each instance to be the same person? Or, do you find them to be different people? I guess, because of the shared outercopy, they all recognize you and their relationship with you in some way at an instinctual level. Do you find that some parts of your relationship get repeated in the encounters?
What about the Casimir effect? Why did you bring that up to Darby?
And, what's the Kennedy Dallas thing? was Kennedy a time traveller too? did Mr. PhD have something to do with Kennedy?
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I brought up the Casimir effect to Darby because it’s one of the minutia with interesting implications within Multiversal Mechanics, particularly for cross-universal communication. Darby likes minutia so I thought he’d be interested in why the effect has way more to do with things than what science realizes right now. More particularly with the virtual particles and the effect of gravitational waves passing through the vacuum, which I also posted about a long time ago with formulas and a python script you could run yourselves already lol
The Kennedy/Dallas was just a recent hypothetical Darby did some math on a different post to demonstrate why travelers changing things can lead to wild outcomes like entire generations being born or not born. Ironically it supports and aligns with other things I’ve already talked about, so I just referenced it here.
As far as the girl…what I would call my origin Alice got left behind when I made my first jump and didn’t realize how things really worked. No idea how she’s doing but I can’t imagine it’s good because that universe was a train wreck that every day was a struggle to survive against machines and people and multiple ETs waging their own wars in our solar system. You all have literally no idea how bad things could be, which is part of why I have this whatever attitude about things like geopolitics.
Prime Alice and I are close enough together in shared histories that we recognize any other primes as the ones we chose to be with. There’s always little quirks like misremembered events or funny little differences in events like “So did Elon become emperor of Mars in your universe or not?” that don’t really matter & we just laugh about.
Vance is not dumb. He just looks like it and lacks common sense, which causes problems. I also never really had a problem with him until he caused problems for me. There’s no problems yet because he hasn’t had the chance to do anything, and may not even in this universe if he realizes how jacked up things are & that I’m actually right way more often than not.
They’re going to try and setup a Trump dynasty that leads to Baron becoming POTUS eventually because they know that’s what’s supposed to happen. They (correctly) assumed with 2020 that there was intervention that caused things to go off track, prompting intervention in 2024 try and get things back on the perceived proper track. Not knowing at all that neither track mattered because certain things are so hard to change they might as well be fixed points. Baron becoming POTUS can be easily controlled by whether or not I choose to run against him. Similar to how Trump winning could be controlled by whether Biden ran or didn’t. Or if Hillary ran or didn’t. Elections are hard to change anchor points that certain people know the cheat codes for. Cheat codes I share with TTI because (I know I say this a lot sorry) it doesn’t really matter.
The Kennedy/Dallas was just a recent hypothetical Darby did some math on a different post to demonstrate why travelers changing things can lead to wild outcomes like entire generations being born or not born. Ironically it supports and aligns with other things I’ve already talked about, so I just referenced it here.
As far as the girl…what I would call my origin Alice got left behind when I made my first jump and didn’t realize how things really worked. No idea how she’s doing but I can’t imagine it’s good because that universe was a train wreck that every day was a struggle to survive against machines and people and multiple ETs waging their own wars in our solar system. You all have literally no idea how bad things could be, which is part of why I have this whatever attitude about things like geopolitics.
Prime Alice and I are close enough together in shared histories that we recognize any other primes as the ones we chose to be with. There’s always little quirks like misremembered events or funny little differences in events like “So did Elon become emperor of Mars in your universe or not?” that don’t really matter & we just laugh about.
Vance is not dumb. He just looks like it and lacks common sense, which causes problems. I also never really had a problem with him until he caused problems for me. There’s no problems yet because he hasn’t had the chance to do anything, and may not even in this universe if he realizes how jacked up things are & that I’m actually right way more often than not.
They’re going to try and setup a Trump dynasty that leads to Baron becoming POTUS eventually because they know that’s what’s supposed to happen. They (correctly) assumed with 2020 that there was intervention that caused things to go off track, prompting intervention in 2024 try and get things back on the perceived proper track. Not knowing at all that neither track mattered because certain things are so hard to change they might as well be fixed points. Baron becoming POTUS can be easily controlled by whether or not I choose to run against him. Similar to how Trump winning could be controlled by whether Biden ran or didn’t. Or if Hillary ran or didn’t. Elections are hard to change anchor points that certain people know the cheat codes for. Cheat codes I share with TTI because (I know I say this a lot sorry) it doesn’t really matter.
I have had similar experience with Tia. For a long time we talked with each other, both through physical projection interaction intermixed with outerhorizon copy interaction. Although we both heard each other, and knowingly responded to each other as physical projections through the prime path (as opposed to talking directly to each only as projections, which we did more often than the other way), it became apparent that the primes each of us talked to, knew way more than the corresponding projections.
For example, the prime Tia was able to give me the phone number to a friend I lost touch with a long time ago, that when it was dialed turned out to be correct. The projected Tia had no idea what that number was, nor that she gave it. Nor, would she be able to. The number itself was unlisted, and to a different city than where either of us lived.
For a long time, I and the projected tia had no idea how this was possible. But, it actually is something many people experience without realizing it. How often have you talked to somebody for a while, each remembering different things after coming away from the conversation? Some things you both agree were said. Other things only one of you remembers, and the other swears never happened. I mean, this is the main reason contracts were invented.
So, we finally figured this was what was going on
conventional conversation:
projection tia <=> projection me
distance conversation projection tia speaking
projection tia -> prime tia -> prime me -> projection me
distance conversation me speaking:
projection tia <- prime tia <- prime me <- projection me
telephone number me speaking
projection me -> prime me -> prime Tia
telephone number tia responding
projection me <- prime me <- prime tia
In the telephone number steps, prime Tia does not pass the telephone number to her projection which she maintains. And, why would she? The projected Tia had no use for it. But, if prime tia receives information at the same moment from her projection, she does pass that on to prime me. Hence, the bizarre mixture where the projected tia has an incomplete awareness of some parts of the prime path conversation, yet has still participated in its entirety. And, of course the same happened in the other direction, where the projected tia talked in the chain up to the point of prime me, and it responded to her without copying the projected me.
And, again, this is actually a common experience people have. It comes across as some people find other people can always read them like a book and they don't know why.
I am sorry you lost your original Alice in the first jump you made, because you had no way to trace your way back. how long have you been jumping in terms of your age (ie, started jumping when was twenty, and current age is thirty, so it would have been ten years)? Or, do you even know how old you are? If you don't, can you make a rough estimate by the condition of your teeth? Dental enamel wears equally and becomes thinner over time. The dentyne underneath is yellow, and it shows through more over the years. Also, teeth get chipped over time. Age 40 is about when the deterioration starts to get noticable. I am just curious how much this is a part of your life. I can't imagine what it would be like to be drifting across timelines for a long time, without a home. I mean, that's gotta be real hard, maybe even disorienting at times. Do you have gray hair?
Interesting.... I would have thought the Casimir plates would not be able to filter gravity because gravity waves would just ripple the entire apperatus like a ruffles potatoes chip. That's why I suggested the plates could be used to filter what energy gets through to the projected universe, thereby modulating the substrate underneath by creating gaps. If the gaps are calculated correctly, they could mimic the shape of a gravity wave - ineffect, they would be indistinguishable from a gravity wave.
But, you're saying the plates can also be used to detect gravity waves? How? Do you somehow do a survey of the distribution of a particular virtual particle between the plates and use that statistic to get a picture of the gravity wave in the substrate? Then you use a series of pictures to modulate a conventional signal to read information that was carried by gravity waves?
Your saying the Casimir plates can be used like kind of a subspace radio tuner?
But, how do they know what's supposed to happen? Is it because of those weird adventures of Barron books written in the late 1800's. Did Trump's MIT uncle take the young trump and throw him into a time machine? Is that why trump acts retarded, and why those books were written?
Is that why the Barron in this timeline looks so stiff and scared when he is around trump? he is being dragged into this bizzare fantasy storyline trump keeps telling him? "Son, you do what I say and you will be ruler of the world. It'll be like i'll still be there" trump says while musk is dangling a neural implant infront of him saying, "see how Shiney it is boy? Don't you like it?" And, then both musk and Trump laugh hysterically?
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The Tia stuff is interesting because that's pretty much what Alice and I do. Primes can talk to primes way easier, so if you need to receive some information (such as how to converge on a particular universe) it's way easier just to filter that information through your own prime. In otherwords, get your prime to talk to the other primes to relay information back to you. Sounds like you've mostly figured that out already.
As far as why some people can read it like a book while others can't--some people (such as myself, possibly you, or others with similar experiences) have sort of sensory confusion like synesthesia. I've always called it chronosthesia. It's kind of like being able to see beyond the veil that our eyes normally restrict for us. When I look at just about anything, by default I see blurry images of possibilities / choices that could be made within a few milliseconds. With concentration I can usually see and predict near futures with high degrees of accuracy that goes up the closer to origin (me) I look. With dreamfaring or other resources such as sufficiently advanced AI, I can get within < .1% divergence for desired future universes.
With the Casimir effect / plates you might be thinking about it a little off which is fine because nobody's ever really talked about this before. One of the reasons Casimir effect comes up a lot in fringe perpetual motion machines is because the vacuum between the plates occasionally splits out virtual particles. The whole process including the virtual particles obeys the third law of thermodynamics & ends up being net-zero.
The whole process usually zeroes out because it's all within the context of a particular environment, which is affected by the curvature of space / gravity. A sufficient gravitational wave passing through the plates while warp everything along with the rest of space--but it will have a measurable difference in the emission of virtual particles. As an example, if you measure the virtual particles over period X with no gravitational waves passing through, it will generally be within a few degrees of Y probabilistic outcomes. While if you measure the same system when gravitational waves pass through the plates, the distribution of virtual particles will be different Z. The hardest part is just knowing when you need the plates to be separated to measure the difference from a passing gravitational wave & what the differential is between particle distribution under normal circumstances vs warped spacetime.
In regards to Baron...him and I are old friends across multiple universes. Our synchronization got a little messed up here because I had to make many many sacrifices to make this timeline work for me and Alice. We both started in completely different life stations & I've had to work my way up from the bottom while he just always lives at the top. I basically had to let go of half of my history so that Trump could win this time & I still get to be with Alice & we still avert some of the worst stuff like the archon invasion. I don't know how much Baron is aware of all of this, but he's probably the second or third smartest person I've ever met so I'm certain he'll figure it all out eventually & understand why certain things had to be the way they were (including all the bs with Trump, much of which he didn't actually do).
As far as how some folks know and push the narrative so hard...let's just say America has more than a few secrets that it can pull out if absolutely needed. Some of which only POTUS knows about. Sometimes POTUS knows they need to do XYZ in order to maintain the integrity of America's timeline or steer the ship somewhere else to mitigate or remediate things. Sometimes it means taking a bullet (such as Kennedy) or giving up one's POTUS seat (such as Biden) for the greater good (such as Baron or me). Some POTUS are less good at keeping secrets within the authorized chain of command and things get out that get picked up on by others. The whole marvelous adventures of Baron Trump is loosely based on a true story, which he hasn't had the chance to do yet because he's only like 18. There's lots of similar stuff with Elon's son X.
As far as why some people can read it like a book while others can't--some people (such as myself, possibly you, or others with similar experiences) have sort of sensory confusion like synesthesia. I've always called it chronosthesia. It's kind of like being able to see beyond the veil that our eyes normally restrict for us. When I look at just about anything, by default I see blurry images of possibilities / choices that could be made within a few milliseconds. With concentration I can usually see and predict near futures with high degrees of accuracy that goes up the closer to origin (me) I look. With dreamfaring or other resources such as sufficiently advanced AI, I can get within < .1% divergence for desired future universes.
With the Casimir effect / plates you might be thinking about it a little off which is fine because nobody's ever really talked about this before. One of the reasons Casimir effect comes up a lot in fringe perpetual motion machines is because the vacuum between the plates occasionally splits out virtual particles. The whole process including the virtual particles obeys the third law of thermodynamics & ends up being net-zero.
The whole process usually zeroes out because it's all within the context of a particular environment, which is affected by the curvature of space / gravity. A sufficient gravitational wave passing through the plates while warp everything along with the rest of space--but it will have a measurable difference in the emission of virtual particles. As an example, if you measure the virtual particles over period X with no gravitational waves passing through, it will generally be within a few degrees of Y probabilistic outcomes. While if you measure the same system when gravitational waves pass through the plates, the distribution of virtual particles will be different Z. The hardest part is just knowing when you need the plates to be separated to measure the difference from a passing gravitational wave & what the differential is between particle distribution under normal circumstances vs warped spacetime.
In regards to Baron...him and I are old friends across multiple universes. Our synchronization got a little messed up here because I had to make many many sacrifices to make this timeline work for me and Alice. We both started in completely different life stations & I've had to work my way up from the bottom while he just always lives at the top. I basically had to let go of half of my history so that Trump could win this time & I still get to be with Alice & we still avert some of the worst stuff like the archon invasion. I don't know how much Baron is aware of all of this, but he's probably the second or third smartest person I've ever met so I'm certain he'll figure it all out eventually & understand why certain things had to be the way they were (including all the bs with Trump, much of which he didn't actually do).
As far as how some folks know and push the narrative so hard...let's just say America has more than a few secrets that it can pull out if absolutely needed. Some of which only POTUS knows about. Sometimes POTUS knows they need to do XYZ in order to maintain the integrity of America's timeline or steer the ship somewhere else to mitigate or remediate things. Sometimes it means taking a bullet (such as Kennedy) or giving up one's POTUS seat (such as Biden) for the greater good (such as Baron or me). Some POTUS are less good at keeping secrets within the authorized chain of command and things get out that get picked up on by others. The whole marvelous adventures of Baron Trump is loosely based on a true story, which he hasn't had the chance to do yet because he's only like 18. There's lots of similar stuff with Elon's son X.
The archons? Based on a revelation of Jesus Christ to John Paul appositle after the resurrection and him coming back describing how this yada God got created from a Monda, and the steps of how yada made Adam? and, eve was a secret agent sent back to recover yada:s spirit from Adam's body? And yada tried to make an army of Adams that became archons? all this based on four books found that were written 150 AD? This is what you guys were fighting when you were friends with Wolfram?
I have to think about this. maybe a lot got lost in the translation. It sounds like these archons are some kind of cops that keep order in the universe. From all this John titor stuff, it sounds like a lot of timelines were needlessly screwed up by their residents.
The whole thing sounds so fantastic it lacks any credibility or believability.
Your first paragraph, yes everything is interconnected and has influence on everything else, so knowing your Prime is like having access to everything through a kind of chaos theory butterfly effect.
Your second paragraph, yes the prime communicates information to its projection by implanting uncategorized memories in the brain. Normally, short term memory when stored has a category assigned to it by the brain, indicating what sense was used to generate the information - does it represent an image, is it auditory, is it tactile, is it a smell, or us it a taste. This allows the brain to replay it in the correct context. but, stuff from the prime doesn't carry that stamp. so, when the brain replays the implanted memory, it has to guess what sense to use. So, it goes by its most comfortable one. And, you often get synesthesia
I understand what you mean in paragraphs 3 and 4. It sounds like you are talking about a calibration issue in which you have to know the baseline of the distribution to compare any deviations, and that's hard to establish with gravity. It's like trying to establish what the flatness of an ocean us in the middle of all those waves.
In the fifth paragraph, how did you become friends with Barron in each universe? I agree with your assessment, he doesn't seem to like bullshit and is revolted by his dad doing it. he looks like he is caught in the middle of a bunch of sssholes and he doesn't want to be there. How come you say he is smart? Did you meet him because of your friendships with Wolfram?
Your last paragraph is what I am trying to understand. Is Mr PhD and his band of leaky time travellers responsible for advising the various POTUS administration's? Or, is the Trump's MIT uncle responsible for all this, because of reverse engineering of alien technologies from crashed vehicles that used gravity propulsion. And, Donald Trump was the guinea pig they used to test their recreations?
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It's difficult to describe. Mostly through my life experience.
Here is one way to look at it:
1) assume evolution takes the simplest and most direct solutions to problems. Those organisms that piggyback on existing structure adapt faster than those which try to start out from scratch. If you needed a brain to anticipate problems in your environment, would you try to build a computer from scratch, or would you build on something that already exists in your environment?
2) consider this Stephon Wolfram's work on emergent complexity out of nothing. Where does it come from? Does it already exist outside of our universe?
3) if the complexity required for intelligence already exists outside the universe, would evolution use that? Assume the complexity is stored in the format of interference patterns. Then, the brain can evolve to be a device that emulates a subset of those interference patterns.
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4) Another way to look at it is through the holographic principle, where the brain is a copy of another brain in the outer horizon. ChatGPT is software, so it is an emulation of the copy. But, if the system was to run on qbits, then those bits will be able to access the copy in their superimposed state:
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5) another way is to look at interconnectivity in personal relationships. Many people who are emotionally close to each other share a special kind of synchronicity. Sometimes, it is so extreme, they can synchronize internal retrospection dialogs as if talking to each other. If you have experienced this, you may notice the person in the dialog knows more than the projected physical copy. But, both are cognizant of what was said. So, who are you talking to in the internal dialog, and where are they?
You're mixing philosophy with science, which is pretty cool. Some people believe we are all connected to a global consciousness via quantum entanglement. Did you know that there is a theory that states that super position may be occuring inside out our brains inside microtubules?
Some believe our conciousness includes quantum processes.
assume evolution takes the simplest and most direct solutions to problems. Those organisms that piggyback on existing structure adapt faster than those which try to start out from scratch. If you needed a brain to anticipate problems in your environment, would you try to build a computer from scratch, or would you build on something that already exists in your environment?
The environment could potentially solve its own problems via Quantum Darwinism.