Will zero divergence ever be possible?

PaulaJedi

PaulaJedi

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"Is it physically possible for you to get back to THIS time line once you leave?"

John Titor: Not with the machine I have now.

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I understand the implications of the above statement are endless, but I simply cannot fathom that there would never be technology developed that would enable one to go back home to zero divergence. Remember, zero divergence is mathematically possible, so all we need is the technology to do so. Could take 200 years to develop, could take 2 years from 2036, but regardless, I personally believe it will be possible!

Divergence is a mathematical concept (Calculus):

http://www.ittc.ku.edu/~jstiles/220/handouts/The%20Divergence%20of%20a%20Vector%20Field.pdf

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Divergence

 
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What if zero divergence is the only possibility? As in; there is only one timeline/universe to time travel within.

 
What if zero divergence is the only possibility? As in; there is only one timeline/universe to time travel within.
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Then based on observations, paradoxes do occur. Dead celebrities that come back alive, buildings that pop into empty fields are but just a couple of examples. And winning the lottery would be a reality that could easily be accomplished.

 
What if zero divergence is the only possibility? As in; there is only one timeline/universe to time travel within.
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We already have proof in math that the universe is multi-dimensional, so there must be more than one timeline. It wouldn't make sense to have multi-dimensional objects but a flat universe.

 
Sorry for diverging Paula. :) Faster than light might attain zero divergence. Some improved version of quantum teleportation could eventually allow information to travel to the direct past. There may be a problem with that though. Time itself may exist in multiple states, even inside of the same universe. Time travel (or time communication) could affect the past, but self-correct to avoid paradoxes and major shifts in reality. What do you think?

 
Hey, I kind of liked the double f, but I guess it doesn't make sense...
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One of the Fs time traveled back in time and was just hanging out with his double. All good things come to an end.

 
This is extracted from one of the original posts:"Is it physically possible for you to get back to THIS time line once you leave?"John Titor: Not with the machine I have now.

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I understand the implications of the above statement are endless, but I simply cannot fathom that there would never be technology developed that would enable one to go back home to zero divergence. Remember, zero divergence is mathematically possible, so all we need is the technology to do so. Could take 200 years to develop, could take 2 years from 2036, but regardless, I personally believe it will be possible!

Divergence is a mathematical concept (Calculus):

http://www.ittc.ku.edu/~jstiles/220/handouts/The Divergence of a Vector Field.pdf

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Divergence
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That's all well and good, the calculation of the divergence of a vector field, because you have the graph of the entire field and a single infinitesimal point in the field as a well defined reference. Easy peasy - plug and chug. But if you want to know the divergence associated with two vector fields and you take one of the graphs a billion light years from earth and ask someone who has never seen the other graph to make the calculation...?That's the implied definition of "Titor's Divergence Techno-Babble". How do you compare one universe (an entire universe!) to another entire universe? They share no common frame of reference therefore what are they diverging from? How do you measure it given that the other universe is not part of your physical reality? You can't measure the physical state of space-time in a single shoebox let alone two entire universes.

 
That's the implied definition of "Titor's Divergence Techno-Babble". How do you compare one universe (an entire universe!) to another entire universe? They share no common frame of reference therefore what are they diverging from? How do you measure it given that the other universe is not part of your physical reality? You can't measure the physical state of space-time in a single shoebox let alone two entire universes.
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Math is math. It's not going to differ in another universe.

 
Math is math. It's not going to differ in another universe.
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But I think you missed his point. It is not the math he is talking about. It is the physics. Math is merely how the physics is quantified. And the purpose of a divergence is to act as a metric. So Darby's point about how you measure that metric is fundamental. And there has yet to be any quantified definition of any divergence metric in Titor's story. So, as a metric, his metric is a 100% failure. (pun intended)RMT

 
Steven Gibbs told me that zero divergence time travel is possible, but that he built the HDR to send you to other timelines to prevent it being used to predict horse races or in casino gaming. Also, that there is no Grandfather Paradox as what happens is that your timeline splits into two - the original timeline and a new one.
 
he built the HDR to send you to other timelines to prevent it being used to predict horse races or in casino gaming
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The innards of an HDR are pretty simple, from what I understand. What did he do to the design to achieve this?

 
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