Possibility of extraterrestrials? (Check link)
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Good_Scientist
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There probably exists somewhere a race of extraterrestrial life. Given that the universe is MASSIVE, more than is possible to comprehend easily. Somewhere in this massive expanse there must be another planet or other world that can support life. Though unfortunately there are unlikey to be right next-door to us, or even in our galaxy.
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RenUnconscious
Quantum Scribe
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If they were right next door to us they would be in Alpha Centauri, about 4.1 light years from earth. Its very likely there are other civilizations of self aware, conscious, beings in our galaxy. 400,000,000,000 stars (400 billion) in our galaxy alone.
Although Seti is searching for signals such as radio waves, light pulses, searching through all the static and background radiation, I believe other intelligent civilizations would have realized Long ago this method of communication is too limited.
I propose a visual stimulus such as a large disk or cube, set in motion around a star. This would have the effect of not looking like a planet as it passes in front of that star in our line of sight. It would be completely obvious to anyone with enough knowledge to look for it. And, it would last thousands if not millions of years.
As opposed to radio signals that are gone once they flew by.
If they were right next door to us they would be in Alpha Centauri, about 4.1 light years from earth. Its very likely there are other civilizations of self aware, conscious, beings in our galaxy. 400,000,000,000 stars (400 billion) in our galaxy alone.
Although Seti is searching for signals such as radio waves, light pulses, searching through all the static and background radiation, I believe other intelligent civilizations would have realized Long ago this method of communication is too limited.
I propose a visual stimulus such as a large disk or cube, set in motion around a star. This would have the effect of not looking like a planet as it passes in front of that star in our line of sight. It would be completely obvious to anyone with enough knowledge to look for it. And, it would last thousands if not millions of years.
As opposed to radio signals that are gone once they flew by.
Malcolm
Chrono Cadet
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Rev: I can't remember who said about this object idea first, but I think the stumbling block was the size of the thing. I think they said you'd need to compact all the asteriods in the belt to get a block big enough to be noticed say 4 light years away?
Anyway, there was some sort of discussion along the lines of encoding details about us on this block, so that when it was found, if we were not around anymore aliens should be able to learn about what we did.
Agree about the radio signals though, wrong direction I think, but what else is there that pervades the universe that would be able to carry a signal that could easily be detected?
Rev: I can't remember who said about this object idea first, but I think the stumbling block was the size of the thing. I think they said you'd need to compact all the asteriods in the belt to get a block big enough to be noticed say 4 light years away?
Anyway, there was some sort of discussion along the lines of encoding details about us on this block, so that when it was found, if we were not around anymore aliens should be able to learn about what we did.
Agree about the radio signals though, wrong direction I think, but what else is there that pervades the universe that would be able to carry a signal that could easily be detected?
RenUnconscious
Quantum Scribe
Re: Possibility of extraterrestrials? (Check link
Not neccesarily true. You are thinking 3 dimensions. Think 2D. FLat. a huge flat square disk, maybe almost like a solar sail to make sure the pull of gravity from the star doesn't bring it in too close. Now you've got a visual que going out to the rest of the galaxy.
It would still need to be very Very large, at least the size of Mars or Earth, but being almost completely flat I don't see a problem actually building such a thing, I'm sure machines would do it, nanobots perhaps.
How about Lightwaves. You can send information on a beam of light.
Not neccesarily true. You are thinking 3 dimensions. Think 2D. FLat. a huge flat square disk, maybe almost like a solar sail to make sure the pull of gravity from the star doesn't bring it in too close. Now you've got a visual que going out to the rest of the galaxy.
It would still need to be very Very large, at least the size of Mars or Earth, but being almost completely flat I don't see a problem actually building such a thing, I'm sure machines would do it, nanobots perhaps.
How about Lightwaves. You can send information on a beam of light.
Malcolm
Chrono Cadet
Re: Possibility of extraterrestrials? (Check link
But other forms of communication would need to be explored. I like the idea that although we are unable to go faster than the speed of light, what if we were to circumvent it? The hyperspace of sci-fi, but rather than expend what would be considerable energy trying to get spaceships into the realm of hyperspace, why not use it to communicate with aliens? Who knows? All just ideas really.
Can anyone else think of other ways of communication?
Ah but we then enter the realm of gravity and all the problems it throws at us regards things that thin. I still feel the 3d object would be the way to go though.
Yes! Lightwaves. The only problem with lightwaves apart from the pesky light speed problem is the fact that to receive them they need to have been directed at us, now we may be able to say that if a beam was directed at us it would get weaker the further away it was sent, but we'd pick up something, even if the intention was to disturb the usual pattern of light received from a particular star. There are a number of anomalies aparently that cannot be explained with conventional science, maybe we need to reassess the way we search for information in space?
But other forms of communication would need to be explored. I like the idea that although we are unable to go faster than the speed of light, what if we were to circumvent it? The hyperspace of sci-fi, but rather than expend what would be considerable energy trying to get spaceships into the realm of hyperspace, why not use it to communicate with aliens? Who knows? All just ideas really.
Can anyone else think of other ways of communication?
RainmanTime
Super Moderator
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DNA is actually hyperdimensional, and as such it represents an information communication channel to those other dimensions.
RMT
Indeed. How about we start by turning our normal thinking on its head? Why do we always think that we will find intelligent life only by looking outward into the vastness of the universe? There's another whole direction we could look for communication from other intelligences. Inward.
How about using the subquantum ether? Think about this with respect to what I said above. As one example, our DNA is literally a code, it is physical information. There is a message in it for each of us. There is a very important form of intelligence in our universe that is and has been speaking to us through our DNA. We are just now starting to listen (can you hear it?). But the real question becomes: If you are listening to your DNA, are you now ready to begin speaking back to it?
DNA is actually hyperdimensional, and as such it represents an information communication channel to those other dimensions.
RMT
RenUnconscious
Quantum Scribe
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Hyperdimensional how? not that I doubt you, just havn't thought about it in this respect can you please explain what you mean? cuz I know unlike creedo you have some logical reasoning behind this statement and can probably back it up =)
Hyperdimensional how? not that I doubt you, just havn't thought about it in this respect can you please explain what you mean? cuz I know unlike creedo you have some logical reasoning behind this statement and can probably back it up =)
RainmanTime
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Hi Ren,
Now let's focus on magnetism, because we can describe an analogy between it and our DNA. Namely, we know that we can create a magnetic field by coiling a wire and passing current through it. The magnetic field is created in the center of the coil, and its polar orientation is determined by which way the electric current flows. This is kind of a "magical" aspect of coils. So, just as we can communicate information by turning electrical pulses ON and OFF, we could just as easily communicate information by turning magnetic fields ON and OFF. And instead of communicating across our dimensional space, we could be communicating across dimensions into another dimensional space.
Now look at our DNA. What is its form? The double helix coil. And if we see the magical aspect of electrical coils causes a magnetic field within the coil, then it is possible that magnetic fields could exist in the center of the energetic coil we call DNA. And if it is possible for DNA to have embedded, micromagnetic fields, then might it be possible for these magnetic fields to be interfered with by other magnetic fields? HERE is a story about a study that has shown that DNA can be impacted by low level magnetic fields. Hmmmmmmm....
And now what about gravity? Is it possible that there are messages of information within the gravitational force fields all around us? There is a physicist at Cal Berkley named Ray Chiao who has coined the term "gravity radio". There is some mention of it in this story.
Interesting stuff to think about.
RMT
Hi Ren,
To begin to understand how DNA is hyperdimensionally linked, you would need to be able to consider that both gravity and magnetism can be (and are) field effects that result from interactions between our dimension and other dimensions beyond the ones we experience with our senses. HERE is a link that kind of describes what I mean by this.
Now let's focus on magnetism, because we can describe an analogy between it and our DNA. Namely, we know that we can create a magnetic field by coiling a wire and passing current through it. The magnetic field is created in the center of the coil, and its polar orientation is determined by which way the electric current flows. This is kind of a "magical" aspect of coils. So, just as we can communicate information by turning electrical pulses ON and OFF, we could just as easily communicate information by turning magnetic fields ON and OFF. And instead of communicating across our dimensional space, we could be communicating across dimensions into another dimensional space.
Now look at our DNA. What is its form? The double helix coil. And if we see the magical aspect of electrical coils causes a magnetic field within the coil, then it is possible that magnetic fields could exist in the center of the energetic coil we call DNA. And if it is possible for DNA to have embedded, micromagnetic fields, then might it be possible for these magnetic fields to be interfered with by other magnetic fields? HERE is a story about a study that has shown that DNA can be impacted by low level magnetic fields. Hmmmmmmm....
And now what about gravity? Is it possible that there are messages of information within the gravitational force fields all around us? There is a physicist at Cal Berkley named Ray Chiao who has coined the term "gravity radio". There is some mention of it in this story.
Interesting stuff to think about.
RMT
RenUnconscious
Quantum Scribe
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ok I understand all that, I guess I don't understand how you are getting the "hyper" in hyperdimensional.
ok I understand all that, I guess I don't understand how you are getting the "hyper" in hyperdimensional.
RainmanTime
Super Moderator
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RMT
All I mean by that is the fields of gravity and magnetics have effects that spill over into dimensions beyond our own. As such, they can be and are means of communication across dimensional barriers. Hence, hyperdimensional effects.
RMT
RenUnconscious
Quantum Scribe
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Gotcha... Pretty interesting don't you think, that DNA can be represented in binary?
Gotcha... Pretty interesting don't you think, that DNA can be represented in binary?
RainmanTime
Super Moderator
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So here is another piece of evidence that the structure of DNA extends across several dimensions. We see how it is expressed across binary, trinary, and quaternary "dimensions". Any reason not to think that DNA could be expressing higher levels of order than these we can already see?
RMT
Oh yeah. REALLY interesting, AAMOF. Also quite interesting that DNA has a trinary, and quaternary structure that extends from its binary nature. I refer to, of course, the genetic triplet codon sequences, and the quaternary nature of the [A,C,T,G] building blocks of DNA.
So here is another piece of evidence that the structure of DNA extends across several dimensions. We see how it is expressed across binary, trinary, and quaternary "dimensions". Any reason not to think that DNA could be expressing higher levels of order than these we can already see?
RMT
creedo299
Epochal Historian
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Yay' understood, but how would this represent itself?
Search poll of information, saying, >That when the shift does come and man ascends to a higher dimension, how will this manifest within the opulent form of his DNA?
>Will this be like extra tendrils on a rose bush, where very rapidly more offshoots of DNA strands are formed?
Three D will have become a past issue, if the helix of the DNA structure changes itself?
Yay' understood, but how would this represent itself?
Search poll of information, saying, >That when the shift does come and man ascends to a higher dimension, how will this manifest within the opulent form of his DNA?
>Will this be like extra tendrils on a rose bush, where very rapidly more offshoots of DNA strands are formed?
Three D will have become a past issue, if the helix of the DNA structure changes itself?
RenUnconscious
Quantum Scribe
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Creedo, Opulent?
"1. deluxe, gilded, luxurious, opulent, princely, sumptuous -- (rich and superior in quality; "a princely sum"; "gilded dining rooms")"
Do you just randomly flip through a dictionary until you find a word that will make no sense? Again, I ask you to Prove it.
Creedo, Opulent?
"1. deluxe, gilded, luxurious, opulent, princely, sumptuous -- (rich and superior in quality; "a princely sum"; "gilded dining rooms")"
Do you just randomly flip through a dictionary until you find a word that will make no sense? Again, I ask you to Prove it.
Re: Possibility of extraterrestrials? (Check link
[If they were right next door to us they would be in Alpha Centauri, about 4.1 light years from earth. Its very likely there are other civilizations of self aware, conscious, beings in our galaxy. 400,000,000,000 stars (400 billion) in our galaxy alone. ]
What if they were our probable selves living in a very distant future? In other words, what if they were living right here on Earth (or any planet of our solar system) but in a very distant future? And if we believe in time travel, what says they are not traveling in time into their own past?
C
[If they were right next door to us they would be in Alpha Centauri, about 4.1 light years from earth. Its very likely there are other civilizations of self aware, conscious, beings in our galaxy. 400,000,000,000 stars (400 billion) in our galaxy alone. ]
What if they were our probable selves living in a very distant future? In other words, what if they were living right here on Earth (or any planet of our solar system) but in a very distant future? And if we believe in time travel, what says they are not traveling in time into their own past?
C
RainmanTime
Super Moderator
Re: Possibility of extraterrestrials? (Check link
What if those FAR, FAR, FAR distant galaxies where life probably does exist are really just EXACTLY the same form of life as us...in fact, what if they ARE our form of life, just on another version of our timelines?
What if our form of humanity and genetic dispensation actually live in MANY other far, distant galaxies, and in at least one of those galaxy's Adolph Hitler was successful in winning WW II before America entered and turned the tide against him.
What if that world is going on, right now, in a distant sector of THIS very physical universe that we live in, the universe that we see is so vast and immense.
What if?
RMT
Or what if....
What if those FAR, FAR, FAR distant galaxies where life probably does exist are really just EXACTLY the same form of life as us...in fact, what if they ARE our form of life, just on another version of our timelines?
What if our form of humanity and genetic dispensation actually live in MANY other far, distant galaxies, and in at least one of those galaxy's Adolph Hitler was successful in winning WW II before America entered and turned the tide against him.
What if that world is going on, right now, in a distant sector of THIS very physical universe that we live in, the universe that we see is so vast and immense.
What if?
RMT
RenUnconscious
Quantum Scribe
Re: Possibility of extraterrestrials? (Check link
yuck I would hate to have to wear a mustache all the time, walk around going 'Sieg Hiel', and exterminating people I didn't like or who were different. I guess thats one way to solve your problems, kill anyone who might have a different point of view...
yuck I would hate to have to wear a mustache all the time, walk around going 'Sieg Hiel', and exterminating people I didn't like or who were different. I guess thats one way to solve your problems, kill anyone who might have a different point of view...
AlienChild
Temporal Navigator
Re: Possibility of extraterrestrials? (Check link
We are here, others are here, we all travel here. This civilisation is a representasion of many. You have war and peace, you have famine, starvation and obundance without care. You feed your ritch and step on your hungry. Some help,some do not care and others sacrifice all to save but it is never enough.
Humans are all of us in a scocial mix. We are learning and understanding you more. We are seeing ourselved trough you, we seeded you, we did not care for you, you are a direct evolution of multible kinds, creating you made peace for us. Multiple kinds at war will never amout to nothing for us, we now know this from you, it is in you nature thus ours and why we had alway chosen to war, we no longer war, we explore.
We are here, others are here, we all travel here. This civilisation is a representasion of many. You have war and peace, you have famine, starvation and obundance without care. You feed your ritch and step on your hungry. Some help,some do not care and others sacrifice all to save but it is never enough.
Humans are all of us in a scocial mix. We are learning and understanding you more. We are seeing ourselved trough you, we seeded you, we did not care for you, you are a direct evolution of multible kinds, creating you made peace for us. Multiple kinds at war will never amout to nothing for us, we now know this from you, it is in you nature thus ours and why we had alway chosen to war, we no longer war, we explore.
RenUnconscious
Quantum Scribe
Re: Possibility of extraterrestrials? (Check link
My belief is that, if you are really an Alien, you would not know the english language so you would have to learn it. Being an Alien and smart enough to somehow travel here through the splitting of protons and neutrons?, you would assume you would learn how to spell the words correctly. I am not talking about Mistypes, just flat out no idea how to spell in English.
Also, if you didn't know English and learned it when you came here, it stands to reason you can learn other languages. So, I would request your next post be in Swahili. Then Maybe you can do some Russian, and then lets back track to Navajo, and then lets skip to the other side of the world and see if you can speak some Mandarin Chinese.
Unless they teach English where you come from Mr. Alien. lol.
My belief is that, if you are really an Alien, you would not know the english language so you would have to learn it. Being an Alien and smart enough to somehow travel here through the splitting of protons and neutrons?, you would assume you would learn how to spell the words correctly. I am not talking about Mistypes, just flat out no idea how to spell in English.
Also, if you didn't know English and learned it when you came here, it stands to reason you can learn other languages. So, I would request your next post be in Swahili. Then Maybe you can do some Russian, and then lets back track to Navajo, and then lets skip to the other side of the world and see if you can speak some Mandarin Chinese.
Unless they teach English where you come from Mr. Alien. lol.