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\"light is the key\" recurence within light particles

imagine a light particle as a tube ,within the tube is a sphere of energy ,its gravity keeping the light particle together,one end of the tube has a negative charge the other a positive charge,...for conversation sake lets say tha the negative charge is always facing to the direction of travel,that is to say at the front,at some point the positively charged sphere of energy would be attracted to the negative end,causing it to go faster than the light particle,ie faster than light,as it approached light speed its gravity would increase {so stieny said} sqaushing the sphere ..in turn causing it to realease some energy therby maintaining the particle of light,as it passed through light speed it would travel back in time by an infinately small amount therby rechargeing itself so no matter how far the light particle had travelled its energy would be maitained,.. could we prove this? well ..if the energy within the light particle does indeed react in this way it would cause the light particle to be sqeezed in the middle as it gravity increased...then it normal shape would return on its arrival back at the positive end ... if you could observe this it wold seem that the light particle was pulsating and producing energy at both ends...do light particles attract one and other?..during its higher gravity point it would attract other paricles to it ,and the push them away during its pulse fase..to an observer it would look very caotic rather like water molecues in a stream,however the direction of travel would be genrely maintained, as nature is never totally precise....this would explain why beams of light stay together, also why light particles maintain enough energy to burn you having travelled millions of miles ,as they crash into you they give up some of their energy... i would also expect more energy or higher frequency from super fast light,...what do you think shadow?
 
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What do I think? I think you have a vivid immagination and that with a lot of hard work you might tame it into something usefull.

Things 'do what they do' and any explainations are properties of the observer. You are attempting to apply physical form to what are mostly nonphysical objects

Find Borderland Sciences Research Foundation on the net and get their book catalog. Skip the UFO titles and get ont the physics and metaphysics.

You are looking for a framework to support understanding, so start where nature started; unpolarized empty space. Then polarize it by adding the first dimention there in.....one point.
 
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Unlimited Light
Researchers make pulses that travel
faster than light--sort of

PRINCETON, N.J.--First things first: Einstein has not left the building.

Despite some recent virtuosic experiments with pulses of light widely reported to far exceed the speed of light, physicists still agree that no object or information has been made to travel superluminally. Cause-and-effect is preserved. But the strange intricacies of light are requiring scientists to examine closely the nature of the ultimate speed limit and, with it, what a pulse of light really is.

TRANS-LIGHT SPEED: A light pulse is made of component waves spreading forward and backward in space; where all the peaks line up in phase defines the center of the pulse. Sent through a cell of laser-soaked cesium gas, the waves encounter a region of anomalous dispersion that makes high frequencies low and low frequencies high, causing the waves to "rephase." The peaks line up again outside the cell, thus producing the original pulse--even before that pulse has traversed the cell. The effect is greatly exaggerated here—the pulse is 1,500 times longer than the cell.
Creating the most recent hubbub is a clever experiment in which a pulse of light propagates superluminally through a cell of cesium gas. The group velocity-the velocity of a pulse undistorted in shape-is negative, a counterintuitive situation that means the peak of the pulse arrives at the end of the cell in a time that is less than that of an equivalent pulse traveling through a vacuum. In fact, because the group velocity is negative, it exits the cell even before it enters it. "This is not at odds with special relativity," maintains Lijun Wang, who performed the experiment with colleagues Alexander Kuzmich and Arthur Dogariu at the NEC Research Institute in Princeton, N.J. "In fact, we hope our experiment can clarify some subtle misunderstood implications of relativity."

Those misunderstandings center around the exact meaning of the famous statement from Einstein's theory of relativity that "nothing can travel faster than the speed of light in a vacuum." Most optical physicists now agree that it does not pertain to the group velocity, contrary to countless classroom lectures and prominent textbooks. Instead it applies to a more idealized quantity called the "front velocity"-the speed of the edge of a light pulse that is abruptly, instantaneously switched on.

Unfortunately, although physicists can talk about infinitely abrupt pulses, "we don't know how to make them in the lab," says physicist Aephraim Steinberg of the University of Toronto. "And we know how to make pulses that look infinitely smooth, like a <bell-shaped> curve, but we don't know how to talk theoretically about the information in them. There's no rigorous theory about that middle ground yet."

Past experiments, including a demonstration by Steven Chu of Stanford University in 1982, of superluminal group velocity in an opaque material have hinted at different aspects of the faster-than-light phenomenon, first predicted in 1970. The work by Wang and his colleagues, published in the July 20 Nature, may be the most impressive so far: more than 40 percent of the pulse gets through the cesium gas medium, as opposed to previous experiments largely involving quantum mechanical tunneling, in which very little incident light made it through. The researchers used a combination of laser beams to create an unusual region of "anomalous dispersion" in the six centimeters of cesium gas, where the velocity of light is higher for higher frequencies of light (ordinarily, higher frequencies mean lower speeds).

This region causes the pulse to "rephase," according to Wang. The light pulse, all of whose constituent wavelengths overlap constructively, loses its phase alignment as it propagates toward the cell, causing the waves to cancel one another out. Inside the cell, anomalous dispersion causes shorter wavelength components of the pulse to become longer, and vice versa. That enables the waves to attain phase alignment after exiting the cell. The result is the same pulse but advanced in time by a factor of 310-specifically, 62 nanoseconds better than the 0.2 nanosecond it takes for light to travel that distance in a vacuum.

Some physicists, such as Raymond Chiao of the University of California at Berkeley, have viewed the effect as a pulse reshaping akin to squeezing a long balloon filled with water. The cesium atoms amplify the early, front parts of the pulse by stimulated emission of radiation (the quantum process that creates laser beams), whereas later parts are deamplified by stimulated absorption. In other words, the system re-creates the entire pulse based on the front part of the pulse. "Nature knows how to extrapolate from the information that you gave in the earlier parts of the pulse," explains Chiao, who with his Berkeley colleague Morgan Mitchell constructed a simple band-pass amplifier that also exhibited a negative group delay, advancing a 25-millisecond pulse by several milliseconds. Such an effect might speed up signaling in electronic circuits; both Wang and Chiao have applied for patents.

Wang plans to investigate several aspects of the superluminal group velocity, including trying to measure the velocity of energy transport (he suspects it will be bounded by the vacuum speed of light), creating a pulse that allows the front velocity to be measured and exploring the case of only a few photons. "This is the important first proof of principle," Steinberg remarks of the current studies. "Extending it to the single-photon level and understanding where it can be used seems like an exciting frontier."
 
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dam thats exactly what i was going to say next
 
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Trevor,
heheh your funny!
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good posting Time~Master!
 
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being totally unejecated,not even able to resite my times tables with limited vocab,and not having seen any litrature as that before you must admit there are some references to the same things , such as the squeezing of the light particles and a few others,not bad for an unejecated ex solidier..i think ill go away and have a total mental break down ...by for now
 
RE: \"light is the key\" recurence within light particles

being totally unejecated,not even able to resite my times tables with limited vocab,and not having seen any litrature as that before you must admit there are some references to the same things , such as the squeezing of the light particles and a few others,not bad for an unejecated ex solidier..i think ill go away and have a total mental break down ...by for now
 
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Shadow, as you replied to TREVOR's question:] "What do I think? I think you have a vivid immagination and that with a lot of hard work you might tame it into something usefull."

I think you owe him an apology. His "Vivid imagination" was not so wild, or untamed as you have implied, as for the evidence to support his post, backed by Tyme~Master.

Thank you Tyme~Master, we are not all as "Mad" as others may be mislead into believing on the surface, for many of us have reason to believe, or think the way we do, and if one were to carefuly go back, and read the past postings, perhaps one may find the framework in support of our ideas.

Even yours shadow, do not take this personal.
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Breaking Light's Own Speed Limit
July 21, 2000 12:21 CDT

Scientists have apparently broken the universe's speed limit. For generations, physicists believed there is nothing faster than light moving through a vacuum at a speed of 186,000 miles per second.

But in an experiment in Princeton, N.J., physicists sent a pulse of laser light through cesium vapor so quickly that it left the chamber before it had even finished entering. The pulse traveled 310 times the distance it would have covered if the chamber had contained a vacuum. It may seem more like magic than physics to some scientists, who have long assumed that nothing in the universe could go faster than the speed of light in a vacuum.

But researchers at the NEC Research Institute
<link: [A HREF="http://www.neci.nj.nec.com/neci-website/research-ps.html>" TARGET=_blank]http://www.neci.nj.nec.com/neci-website/research-ps.html]</A> found that they could make pulses of light zoom through a tube at a much faster speed, with the peak of the pulse emerging from the tube 62 billionths of a second before the peak had entered.

"It looks as if you've done something magical ... but you can explain this based on physics. This is not a time machine," James Chadi, vice president of the institute's science division, said on Thursday from Princeton, New Jersey.

The research team's findings, published in Thursday's issue of the journal Nature, do not contradict Albert Einstein's theory of relativity, in which the great 20th century physicist set the speed of light in a vacuum as the absolute maximum speed for the universe.

According to Einstein's theory of relativity, nothing with mass -- like people or things -- can ever go faster than light, the researchers noted. But something with no mass, like a packet of light waves known as a pulse, can.

"Our experiment is perfectly consistent with Einstein's theory of special relativity," said lead researcher Lijun Wang. "Precisely speaking, it is the speed of information transfer that is limited by the speed of light in a vacuum."

All the necessary information about the pulse is contained in its tiny leading edge. As soon as this sliver of the pulse enters the chamber, the specially prepared atoms can begin making another, identical pulse at the chamber's far side.

Although the achievement has no practical application right now, experiments like this have generated considerable excitement in the small international community of theoretical and optical physicists.

"This is a breakthrough in the sense that people have thought that was impossible," said Raymond Chiao, a physicist at the University of California at Berkeley who was not involved in the work. Chiao has performed similar experiments using electric fields. Practical applications aside, this finding may prove to have implications for telecommunications, Chadi said.

A telecommunications application may exist even though information cannot move any faster than the speed of light, and it usually moves much more slowly, according to Arthur Dogariu, one of the authors of the Nature paper.

"Information is basically pulses," Dogariu said. "When you talk about the Internet and fiber optic communications, it's limited by how the pulses can move through the wires, by how many of them there are, how thick the wires are.

"If you can create the medium in which pulses propagate, it would allow them to go through faster as a packet of waves," he said.

Any such application will not occur soon, and Dogariu said the environment he and his colleagues created in their laboratory could be re-created in other labs but not in nature. Ultimately, the work may contribute to the development of faster computers that carry information in light particles.

Researchers at the NEC lab created this medium by using lasers to specially prepare atoms of cesium gas inside a cylindrical chamber about 2.5 inches (6 cm) long, and then shooting pulses of light through it.

Wang said the laser pulse should be thought of as a group of undulating waves of light, with peaks and valleys.

Normally light would pass through a vacuum chamber of that length in 0.2 nanoseconds, or .2 billionths of a second. But the cesium atoms in the chamber shift the light pulse, making it zip through the chamber and exit 62 nanoseconds sooner, or more than 300 times earlier.

As soon as the leading edge of the pulse enters the chamber, the atoms start to reconstruct the pulse at the chamber's far side. This reconstructed pulse can then emerge from the far end of the chamber sooner than it would go through a vacuum.

Not everyone agrees on the implications of the NEC experiment. Aephraim Steinberg, a physicist at the University of Toronto, said the light particles coming out of the cesium chamber may not have been the same ones that entered, so he questions whether the speed of light was broken.

Still, the work is important, he said: "The interesting thing is how did they manage to produce light that looks exactly like something that didn't get there yet?"

The NEC Institute is funded by Japan-based NEC Corp., which makes computers and communications products.
 
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Here's a strange theory about light that I read about:

"Light does not travel at all, but its presence causes units of elemental matter to move and this movement produces the phenomena which appear as waves and the speed of light."
 
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Time: The book was written way back in the 1940s. It's called "Thinking and Destiny" and contains some far out theories about many topics. A few years ago, I was given a copy. I found their web site at:
http://www.word-foundation.com/
 
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Thanks NoTime
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We can all benefit from these libraries, all anyone needs to do is come here, we got all!
well just about, I think that if we keep this up, we will be giving any other library or research site an infobank to remember us by!
 
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Referring to the first post, if light was a dipole, we'd know it. Dipoles produce an EM field, and you'd be able to deflect light beams with really weak E or M fields. Also, charged/magnetic objects would get attracted or repelled by light. Which they don't.
 
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most of my physics research outside elementary college courses has been done right here on this page. i'm no more than an ignorant fiction writer who has delusions of grandeur that my tales are actually credible. haha.

however, i'd really like to throw this out there for the more schooled to chew on, and just plain converse with someone about.

i've had this obsession with time travel for years. rolled it over enough in my mind to create in my latest works of fiction what i consider a decently credible device. it was just a thought really...basically along the same lines as all that you're saying here in this forum. but there's another level to it...of course i will come off as sounding ignorant, but i feel the compulsion to share.

I've developed what i like to call a "wing" hypothesis. Why does an airplay achieve lift? Its the shape of the wing, which cuases the air to flow faster over the top of the wing than the bottom. after studying the philedelphia experiment, i couldn't help but make comparisons to the tear shaped structure of a ship and the half tear of a wing.

using air as the metaphor for light...if in fact light were moving faster in that same fashion, could that concievably create something comparable to 'lift' in relative time/space?

once again, perhaps i come off as ignorant. but i would love this theory to be rebuked, as well as anyone who could help me fill in the holes.

please reply here, or just send me an email. [email protected]

thanks
 
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